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Nice to see Israeli police at its best and keeping up good human rights.
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I started this thread as I shocked about the severe beating a helpless 15 year old Palestinian got from the very kind Jewish security forces.
I then see on various news channels that Israel kills for kids who were playing on a beach; how is that self defense? Were Hamas launching rockets from the beach as these kids were playing?
Sickening and Outrageous . . . .
I then see on various news channels that Israel kills for kids who were playing on a beach; how is that self defense? Were Hamas launching rockets from the beach as these kids were playing?
Sickening and Outrageous . . . .
allnighter said:
hose of us who refuse to justify state-sponsored terrorism do not need conspiracy theories. The facts speak for themselves and Israel is already doing a good job with an endless list of killing innocent civilians, illegal settlement building, arbitrary home demolitions, repeated violations of international and human rights law, violent arrests of children, military assaults on civilian populations, construction of a barrier wall, ‘price tag’ settler violence, imprisonment without charge, land confiscation, separate roads for Jews and Palestinians, torture in prison cells, a strangling siege and inhumane blockade, and all-too-common intimidation tactics...etc
Can't argue with that summary or debate the accuracy - pretty much nailed on.Just hearing that a tank shell has killed a 5 month old baby - sickening!
coyft said:
The same stuff? Should we just ignore children being massacred, whole families being murdered?
Should we just accept hospitals being bombed, it's bad enough putting them there in the first place, but to then bomb them, to make sure you finish them off! WTF.
The IIDF told people to leave their homes and go the district that the hospital was in. Forgive my language but please f
k off with your human shield propaganda bks. It's slaughter on a grand scale.
This ^Should we just accept hospitals being bombed, it's bad enough putting them there in the first place, but to then bomb them, to make sure you finish them off! WTF.
The IIDF told people to leave their homes and go the district that the hospital was in. Forgive my language but please f
k off with your human shield propaganda bks. It's slaughter on a grand scale.Massacre on the grandest scale.
How can ANYONE bomb a hospital? In fact not once, but 4 times. And to really mean business, they have bombed 1 other hospital too so that any possible survivors from the 1st hospital are dead for good!
The IDF 'claim' Hamas are firing rockets from these hospitals; where is the evidence? Very convenient for them to show video footage yesterday of a air strike killing some Hamas fighters who were using a tunnel; where is the video evidence or any evidence of these so called rockets launched from hospitals/schools and mosques?
These rockets (this is a genuine question) that Hamas are firing; anyone know if these are mobile or need machinery? If seen pictures of dumper trucks being converted; so if this how they operate, then how the hell do they get these on top of a hospital/school or mosque as IDF claim?
Funkycoldribena said:
coyft said:
Lost soul said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Exactly what I said earlier in the thread.Works both ways,except I used ad-finitum.Im just sick of people like VK trotting out the same old stuff, why shouldnt I counter?I keep hearing about the poor old Palestinians and how I should be weeping in my coffee,well sorry I have no sympathy for the likes of people who commit that sort of savagery.
Truth hurts I guess!
Lost soul said:
Then hamas need to stop operating from hospitals , schools , mosques its simple
but they want civi casualties don't you people get it yet , they do not care about the population of gaza they see them as something only to be used
Maybe you didn't read my post properly, so I will re-type; where is the so called evidence that Hamas are firing rockets from these places?but they want civi casualties don't you people get it yet , they do not care about the population of gaza they see them as something only to be used
Please answer the question directly, with supporting evidence
Funkycoldribena said:
Thanks.Interesting title to the link: Grad Rocket Launchers Discovered Next to Gaza School.
So, rockets discovered 'next to a school' but it is ok for the IDF to blow the whole school to smithereens, right?
way to go IDF!Lost soul said:
SR7492 said:
Maybe you didn't read my post properly, so I will re-type; where is the so called evidence that Hamas are firing rockets from these places?
Please answer the question directly, with supporting evidence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmsAttgzD80Please answer the question directly, with supporting evidence
Sending some links where Hamas are firing rockets from the ground doesn't cut it; we've all been seeing these clips on the TV and the net.
So your 'fakery' of evidence in direct relation to my question BS!
allnighter said:
Mrr T said:
SR7492 said:
I raised a very serious concern about IDF blowing up hospitals willy nilly and asked for evidence to support IDFs claims that these rockets were being fired from these said hospitals.
Perhaps you can provide some evidence that the missiles are not there???A:You have a bottle of whiskey hidden in your garden.
B:Show me evidence of your assertion that I have a bottle of Whiskey in my garden.
A:No you provide evidence that there isn't a bottle of Whiskey in your garden.
Wonderful Mrr T, keep at it, you're doing great, and accusing those who are concerned about Palestinians' casualties of being "Hamas supporters" was just 'inspiring' to say the least. Great logic you're displaying there.
I better go find that whiskey bottle Allnighter then ;-)
Scuffers said:
Do you honestly think they want to have to do this? quite apart from the human tragedies going on a daily basis, do you not this that Israel would love NOT to have to spend a very high proportion of their GDP on defence?
don't you think the reservists that are constantly having to be called up would rather not have to be risking life and limb in these operations?
Let's be clear here, NOBODY wants this, except HAMAS.
I think it is quite clear from many posts on here suggesting that Israel is happy wiping out the Palestinians for the sake of a greater Jewish state.don't you think the reservists that are constantly having to be called up would rather not have to be risking life and limb in these operations?
Let's be clear here, NOBODY wants this, except HAMAS.
If they seriously didn't want this, as you have said, then why is there a continuation of settlements on occupied land, which is illegal under international law (which everyone excepts, inc the US, but only Israel doesn't)
The whole world can't be wrong and for Israel to be right, right?
Scuffers said:
your grasp on history is not great is it?
I am sure there are some hard liners that do want to wipe out Gaza, (much the same as their are brit that love to abuse children here etc.) the point is the majority are normal people who just want a safe/quiet life.
Now, back to the occupied land, why was it occupied in the first place?
go on, answer that one, then just maybe you might understand why they are so keen to keep it.
Yes, I agree, building on it does not help, but once again, I could say the same for developers here.
'some hard liners' you mean the current Israeli government right?I am sure there are some hard liners that do want to wipe out Gaza, (much the same as their are brit that love to abuse children here etc.) the point is the majority are normal people who just want a safe/quiet life.
Now, back to the occupied land, why was it occupied in the first place?
go on, answer that one, then just maybe you might understand why they are so keen to keep it.
Yes, I agree, building on it does not help, but once again, I could say the same for developers here.
There have been some good posts on the history of the land, I suggest to go back a few pages as it seems like you missed this.
Scuffers said:
Look people, for all your hand wringing, the simple way to stop this is for Hamas to stop firing rockets.
yes, it really is that simple.
I know this probably does not fit with your sense of injustice etc, but it's the only way it will end.
Someone give this man the noble prize . . . . . . . . amazing!yes, it really is that simple.
I know this probably does not fit with your sense of injustice etc, but it's the only way it will end.
Qwert1e said:
I suspect you are right.
Which begs the question, "does Israel care?", to which I think the answer is, "no".
In the long run Israel cannot IMO win. It thinks it is winning when it goes out and destroys the homes and infrastructure of its supposed "enemies" but all it is doing is building its long term isolation. I fear the strategic significance of Iran/Iraq/Syria will eventually result in little Israel being seen as an embarrassment on the global stage.
You've missed the mass murder and massacre the IDF are doing willy nilly.Which begs the question, "does Israel care?", to which I think the answer is, "no".
In the long run Israel cannot IMO win. It thinks it is winning when it goes out and destroys the homes and infrastructure of its supposed "enemies" but all it is doing is building its long term isolation. I fear the strategic significance of Iran/Iraq/Syria will eventually result in little Israel being seen as an embarrassment on the global stage.
As stated before and by many good posts, Israel doesn't care because, simply put, they want to 'wipe out' the Palestinians so they can have their Greater Jewish State.
Some people on here don't seem to grasp this stance by Israel and are on cloud cuckoo land to think otherwise (especially to defend the current murder and wider political stance)
allnighter said:
la bla bla more ad hominem. I stand by everything I said and stated, and it's up to you to refute anything you do not agree with.That's how debates work. If you think those quotes are fabricated, then prove it.
Simply stating that they can't be true (because it came from an anti-Israel site) is pure conjuncture on your part.
If you make a counter-claim, you need to back it up.
So I'am will waiting for your rebuttal stating where, when, how, and why?
Still haven't found that whiskey Allnighter . . . . . . . Still looking Simply stating that they can't be true (because it came from an anti-Israel site) is pure conjuncture on your part.
If you make a counter-claim, you need to back it up.
So I'am will waiting for your rebuttal stating where, when, how, and why?
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