Scotland after the vote

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The mess we are in now cant continue after the vote, them coming to England voting on agriculture, education, environment, health, local government and justice, is all a bit silly, we don't go up to Scotland and vote on these issues

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After the no vote, camaroon will look at scottish mp.s in westminster

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xjsdriver said:

Walford said:

The mess we are in now cant continue after the vote, them coming to England voting on agriculture, education, environment, health, local government and justice, is all a bit silly, we don't go up to Scotland and vote on these issues

If Scotland votes to become independent, then from the 19th of September, until Independence is declared, Scotland is still a part of the UK and it's MPs are entitled to sit and vote in the House of Commons.

On issues that dont effect there Country

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VeeDubBigBird said:

As a Scot and a No supporter have to admit i honestly don't care what happens to Scotland if a Yes vote is successful as i'll be jumping ship before it copies the Concordia.

I know for a fact a yes vote will leave me without a job, as the nature of my employers business relies on UK legislation to operate.

So Far Salmond's given nothing but magic numbers that daft munter Nicola Sturgeon makes up in her head. We don't even know if we can get into the EU without a fight from the Spanish, Belgians or Dutch. We don't know how our currency will work, trade agreements or even the basics like free movement as all UK passports held within Scotland will be void, as will Driving licenses and N.I Numbers.

Salmond just thinks if he waves enough tartan about it'll all sorted out and St Andrew himself will descend and take the Fat useless fk to Haggis heaven.

you better do it quick cuz if your not in the EU you will need a visa to get into most countrys, and they wont be easy to get, on a bongo bongo passport

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Rollin said:

Ooo! Going back 300 years? Very interesting.

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Neonblau said:

This thread has become utterly bizarre.

It's as though Division 2 nationalists come in here.

and people with triumph heralds in a car forum

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HenryJM said:

And for the Uk it's in our currency, not someone else's. The significance of that is absolutely huge yet seemingly beyond the grasp of the Nats.

Why would you want to use someone else is currency, it don't work ask Greece Ireland or Portugal

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simoid said:

Walford said:

Why would you want to use someone else is currency, it don't work ask Greece Ireland or Portugal

Their argument is: "it's our currency too."

Obviously doesn't hold water because:

• the majority of the UK doesn't want a currency union (politicians and population)
• if there was a currency union, it would be severely restrictive for Scotland's independence and we're back to square one or worse

would have thought HBOS or RBS could print some Scottish rupies

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andymadmak said:

And in any event, printing the paper aint the problem. It's guaranteeing it that causes the issue,

The government would do that

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HenryJM said:

Walford said:

andymadmak said:

And in any event, printing the paper aint the problem. It's guaranteeing it that causes the issue,

The government would do that

The Scottish one?

Yes,,,, maybe even get Fred back from the Caribbean

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fblm said:

it would be quite amusing to step back and watch their hubris implode in another Iceland/Ireland/Greece if it wern't for the fact that a few million innocent non-idiots would get hurt in the process and England would end up picking up the pieces.

Portugal, Cyprus, Scotland, North Korea and Haiti

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Johnnytheboy said:

Walford said:

fblm said:

it would be quite amusing to step back and watch their hubris implode in another Iceland/Ireland/Greece if it wern't for the fact that a few million innocent non-idiots would get hurt in the process and England would end up picking up the pieces.

Portugal, Cyprus, Scotland, North Korea and Haiti

Didn't the Nats used to use Iceland's economy as a role model pre-crash?

No was North Korea

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Axionknight said:

pcvdriver said:

Irrelevant in the scheme of things.....Devolved power can be withdrawn at a whim and there have been plenty of veiled threats that this will be the case if we vote no....

How is the amount of powers Holyrood have control over currently irrelevant? Is it because the yes campaign bleat about the Scottish NHS suffering under big bad Tory rule (even though we have a coalition Government in Westminster), yet it is actually devolved, for example?

So what I'm basically suggesting, is that its irrelevant because the yes campaign cant lie and bluster about it and get away with it?

Irrelevant, Irrelevant, One of the many things an independent country must have is a currency and a central bank, this is the basis of controlling the money supply, and balancing growth against inflation and also controlling dept, the yes campain is ball####cks

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pcvdriver said:

It's a simple, undeniable fact that we in Scotland pay more tax per capita than rUK does...and have done for more than 30 years. This is a matter of fact, not SNP spin, as confirmed by official GERS figures (which can easily be referenced, if you choose not to take what I say at face value). So how you think we're sponging is beyond me.

RBS and HBOS being the main contributors

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pcvdriver said:

BY THE WAY IF THE PERSON WHO ASKED FOR ME TO BE BANNED WOULD LIKE ME TO REJOIN THE MAIN DEBATE - THEN JUST ASK THE MODS TO SORT IT...... I MIGHT EVEN PROMISE NOT TO TAKE THE PISS OUT OF UKIP)

This is not "the main debate, its a simple question what will happen to scotland after the vote ?

i think it will be a NO vote but we will still see big changes, and some resoration of democracy in rUK

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pcvdriver said:

P.P.S. What do you mean by "some restoration of democracy"?

are you taking the pith?

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Moonhawk said:

Walford said:

....and some resoration of democracy in rUK

This keeps being stated - but has anyone defined exactly what they mean by this.



What we have to remember is that 'Democracy' doesn't mean 'you get what you voted for'. It simply means that your vote is counted equally in a free and open election.

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 1st August 17:26

It means if something is devolved to scotland say education, why should they then, by the fact there are 50 scottish MP,s carry the vote one way or another in Westminster,

they could vote for a policy in scotland, and block it in England

So in england now on education we have a tory majority out voted by scottish socialist, who dont represent any actual constituency affected

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Moonhawk said:

Quite - supporting/vetoing iScotlands entry into Europe is a rather large bargaining chip to have on the rUK side of the negotiating table.

not really as i would like them to leave asap, they could keep uk,s membership of the EU and we could apply again

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Scotland vote yes
Shetland vote no

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Rovinghawk said:

pcvdriver said:

For 50 years Westminster has steadfastly ignored this issue, in the hope it will go away. It won't, but those knee-jerk reactionaries are just too interested in appeasement of the right wing and far right wing, who are vehemently opposed to the amount of immigration that we actually need.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the last 50 years I thought we had some left-wing governments. Why were they "too interested in appeasement of the right wing and far right wing"?