Peace between Israel and Palestine

[avinalarf]

I have started this topic in the naive hope that it might be a constructive debate on how that peace might be achieved.
Let's have a sensible, reasoned, debate that does not descend into the pointless arguments,entrenched and biased opinions,that other topics on PH,the media and other social media forums have led to.

[avinalarf]

That's a bit gloomy Pints.
We are better than that.
Let's take Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King as our examples.
Two great,strong men,that helped to forge hope out of despair.

[avinalarf]

TheJimi said:

Notwithstanding a radical shift in outlook on both sides, it'll never happen, imo.

And definitely not while Hamas (and it's ilk) exists.

It is possible to marginalise the extremists e.g. as with the IRA, albeit not completely eliminate them.
I am certain the great majority wish to live in peace and just get on with their lives.
Both Palestinians and Israelis deserve that,a decent life,where they can aspire to go forward.

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rovermorris999 said:

Until Israel's neighbours agree that Israel has right to exist and don't threaten it with destruction there will be no peace.

True,but Israel also must show that it is willing to give the Palestinians a viable homeland.
Both parties must show they are sincere and be prepared to cross previous green lines.

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Foppo said:

Scuffers said:

Pints said:

What's there to debate? Two nations of people with histories and claims to the land going back thousands of years. Each believe they have a divine right to be on this hallowed ground - as they see it.

That sort of history will not be enable the conflict to be resolved and peace established with reasoned debate.

it's a bit more complex than that.

one side what's the eradication of the other from the face of the earth, the other side just wants to live in their "promised land"

actually, if you removed Israel from the equation, I bet there would still be a war going on between the different sects of Islam (much like there is elsewhere)

IMHO the basic problem is that the whole region is full of stupid, uneducated, idiots that are easily lead by some old cynical morons with a 1,000 year old axe to grind, and what's made all this worse is we have poured a shed load of money (and thus weapons) in that re a little more dangerous that a sharpened Guava fruit.

add in the internet and 24H tv, and you have a worldwide audience for the nutters to recruit even more simpletons from the west with age old stories of injustice and how many virgins they will get if they martyr themselves.

Already name calling is not a constructive debate is it? What is the point.

I agree ,name calling does not get us anywhere,please try to resist.
This is what the extremists feed off of.

[avinalarf]

It hasn't taken long for negative posts to appear,a great pity,as it was beginning to show positive signs.

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anonymous said:

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They can,it is the fear whipped up by the extremists,on both sides, that fuels the fire.
I heard today there will be a march in London against the fighting in the area.
Want to take a bet how many banners will be inflammatory and name calling and how many will be calling for a just peace for both sides ?