Air strikes on ISIS

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Obama authorized air strikes on ISIS this evening to open routes for humanitarian airlifts to various ethnic groups trapped on a mountain range. Christians, Kurds, and other religious minorities but mainly about 40,000 Yazidis (sp)'are starving in place or facing death if they came down from the mountains. Obama sees as this as a form of genocide. Air strikes will also offer protection to diplomatic personnel in the area if a threat to them materializes. Air strike are authorized but have not occurred yet; they will if needed to carry out the humanitarian mission. No link as this is being reported live.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 8th August 02:45

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McWigglebum4th said:

A mistake

We should stay out of it

Any move against a Muslim state angers the world


Let the religion of peace sort it out

Cynicism at 0500, that is the type dedication PH is looking for.

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anonymous said:

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It appears that is what we are going to do. We shall see.

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s1962a said:

Good points on this thread.

I am a muslim and I find these ISIS nutjobs extreme to the highest level. Apparently they are following some Saudi inspired extreme ideology.

As for air strikes.. it's a tough one - I think the better approach would be to go for the countries that fund these guys - Saudi's etc. Likely to happen?

They are good at funding themselves. Capturing banks and some oil fields have netted them huge funding.

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Four Litre said:

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BlackLabel said:

Iraq should not have been invaded in 2003 however just because we got it wrong back then it should not mean military intervention of some sorts is wrong here.

I think that's a key point.

Totally right - We (west) have caused this problem and have a moral right to sort it now. Also use it as an oppertunity to wipe ISIS out. Afterally where are they going to go once they have mission accomplished in Iraq....

Some say they will try to cross into Saudi. The Saudis have deployed 30,000 troops on their border to deter them. This is a good sign the Saudis are not their supporters.....unless this is for optics.

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Elroy Blue said:

Jimbeaux said:

Some say they will try to cross into Saudi. The Saudis have deployed 30,000 troops on their border to deter them. This is a good sign the Saudis are not their supporters.....unless this is for optics.

ISIS also attacked a town in Northern Lebanon. The Saudis have just given £3 billion pounds weapons to Lebanon in response.

I suppose that rules out that the Saudis are supporting ISIS.

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toppstuff said:

Was listening on Radio 4 to some telephone interviews with Christians trapped and, quite obviously, terrified.

This is medieval stuff. I don't really care who takes out ISIS, but someone needs to do it now. If the caliphate isn't destroyed now, I think it could be harder in the future.

The Islamic State truly wants to take humanity, with the notions of tolerance, education and mutual respect, back to the stone age. This is not the time for liberal hand wringing IMO, just squash the bds.

True. They have taken a dam in Mosul, that controls the water supply of Baghdad from the Tigris River. Ibril holds US military and diplomatic posts. ISIS formations are currently in the open, now is the time Obama should take the chains off and let the airforce wipe out as many of those as possible. They have captured western kit and have a bloodlust. They have stated that Europe and the US are next. Consider this; several thousand are known to hold European and US passports. Seeing how vicious they are, what do you think is going to happen if/when they come inside? There will be carnage in the homeland like we have not seen. Fight them there, not at home.

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Haggleburyfinius said:

Jimbeaux said:

Elroy Blue said:

Jimbeaux said:

Some say they will try to cross into Saudi. The Saudis have deployed 30,000 troops on their border to deter them. This is a good sign the Saudis are not their supporters.....unless this is for optics.

ISIS also attacked a town in Northern Lebanon. The Saudis have just given £3 billion pounds weapons to Lebanon in response.

I suppose that rules out that the Saudis are supporting ISIS.

Perhaps.

Backing both sides isn't exactly beyond the realms of possibility.

It just sends a clear message to ISIS to not get any fancy ideas about heading their way. Loony groups biting the hand that feeds them isn't exactly unheard of.

The Saudis are masters in meddling elsewhere but not tolerating any dissent close to home.

All valid points.

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"Targeted airstrikes" implies a narrow focus. I am hoping the hounds get unleashed on the lot of them, not just those approaching the mountain. The Iraqi Air Force has also struck. Some say Turkish air craft have crossed the border and struck as well seeing as ISIS is on that border too. Iraq denies that Turkey has done so.

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zcacogp said:

There's quite an argument to say that the previous military intervention was one of the causes of this problem. Should we/the US go in with guns blazing again? I'm torn, but probably in favour of it.

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If that happens I'd suggest they should have their British citizenship revoked on the spot and be shot very soon afterwards. If the Met police could find their assess with both hands then maybe they'd be able to find the people who did this;

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/flag-...

... and do exactly as suggested to them as well.


Oli.

That is enough of such crap. Time for the neighborhood around that place to contain such things.

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V8 Fettler said:

Jimbeaux said:

toppstuff said:

Was listening on Radio 4 to some telephone interviews with Christians trapped and, quite obviously, terrified.

This is medieval stuff. I don't really care who takes out ISIS, but someone needs to do it now. If the caliphate isn't destroyed now, I think it could be harder in the future.

The Islamic State truly wants to take humanity, with the notions of tolerance, education and mutual respect, back to the stone age. This is not the time for liberal hand wringing IMO, just squash the bds.

True. They have taken a dam in Mosul, that controls the water supply of Baghdad from the Tigris River. Ibril holds US military and diplomatic posts. ISIS formations are currently in the open, now is the time Obama should take the chains off and let the airforce wipe out as many of those as possible. They have captured western kit and have a bloodlust. They have stated that Europe and the US are next. Consider this; several thousand are known to hold European and US passports. Seeing how vicious they are, what do you think is going to happen if/when they come inside? There will be carnage in the homeland like we have not seen. Fight them there, not at home.

Which is why the West should have stayed in Iraq and should remain in Afghanistan. Let the mad people attempt to reach out to the Apaches and drones and impose their particular strain of sky fairy rather than reaching out to the streets of London/New York/etc. Does this mean a reprieve for the Warthog?

I would hope, I have seen the warthog in action up close; it is an incredible weapon for its particular design.

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anonymous said:

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Good on her; surprised she didn't lose her head for that. Must have been a shortage of machetes in the taxpayer-funded housing complex.

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Team 17 said:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-...

Please don't bring that BS over here.

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HRL said:

Admittedly he's quit now...

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anonymous said:

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I think Egypt's military would hold against that. The others, not so sure. It is worth noting that Turkey, a good example of a secular state that is predominately Muslim, currently has as its Presidential frontrunner, a man that is not secular and is running on fundimentalist rhetoric. What it means for Turkey if he wins, I am not sure.

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anonymous said:

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The Saudis are not funding these fools; individuals perhaps, but not the state. Before you say anything, I realize you said "influenced" not funded.....I am just getting ahead of it.

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s1962a said:

Scuffers said:

s1962a said:

One thing that will change things this time around, is the recognition these nutters represent a very tiny minority of muslims. If that happens and you get all the rest of the muslims on board then it should make it easier to wipe out ISIS.

So, what's the difference between these cutters and the nutters in Gaza...

The question you should be asking is how is a child being killed by ISIS different to a child being killed by IDF 'inprecise' artillery/bombs... from the childs point of view?

In answer to your question.. ISIS are basing what they do on their interpretation on an extreme form of salafi islam developed in Saudi in the 1700's, and are trying to spread this with violence.

Hamas in gaza are trying to lift the land, sea, and air blockade of Gaza.

No comparison.

The blocade in Gaza came about due to Hamas rockets, not the other way around. You seem to believe Hamas would let up if all of those things disappeared.

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s1962a said:

LaSource said:

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If such a big scenario is possible, then the implication of this is that this is not just a bunch (say X,000) of raving loonies...(after all we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan that X0,000 of loonies or even an occupying army cannot control nations) but that they have a message that appeals to the masses (perhaps freedom from rich controlling class, perhaps a sense of foreign oppression lifted, religious union, any non militant casualties may increase radicalisation, etc) which brings back into the fold whether this is a new nation emerging or not. I think that is why the Saudis are afraid of them - i.e. these guys might start a local uprising in a country with a massive gulf between rich and poor.

It also makes me wonder about the media messaging again. The sounds of 'yeah lets get em' on this thread is probably what the 90%+ of Israelis felt when they were polled for support of their nation due to what they were seeing on their local media (whether it was reflective of reality or not).

..anyway, lets just hope that this is a group of X,000 isolated loonies

I have read that ISIS comprises of ex Iraqi army personnel that were left disenfranchised after the Iraq war, and also other al-qaeda extremists and others who believe in their extremist ideology. Basically a hoover for all the nutters in that region to get together. Apparently they are very well armed too, and are not encoutering much resistance.. till now.

Over 1 billion muslims in the world.

There may be a little less after this afternoon. Nothing personal there, just some math facts.

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anonymous said:

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s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Scuffers said:

s1962a said:

One thing that will change things this time around, is the recognition these nutters represent a very tiny minority of muslims. If that happens and you get all the rest of the muslims on board then it should make it easier to wipe out ISIS.

So, what's the difference between these cutters and the nutters in Gaza...

The question you should be asking is how is a child being killed by ISIS different to a child being killed by IDF 'inprecise' artillery/bombs... from the childs point of view?

In answer to your question.. ISIS are basing what they do on their interpretation on an extreme form of salafi islam developed in Saudi in the 1700's, and are trying to spread this with violence.

Hamas in gaza are trying to lift the land, sea, and air blockade of Gaza.

No comparison.

The blocade in Gaza came about due to Hamas rockets, not the other way around. You seem to believe Hamas would let up if all of those things disappeared.

I believe the palestinian people just want to live their lives, just like anyone else, and reject hamas.

Maybe continue this in the israeli thread.

Now that is better; and yes.