Left wingers are getting a bit scared
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Post Scottish referendum, all the talk is of political reform, devolution and the creation of a more federal UK. There is even a move where the Tories look set to campaign the general election on the idea of an English parliament to match the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish ones.
This is all well and good. It is a positive evolution of UK democracy.
It is also getting the Left a bit frightened. If an English parliament passes laws that Scottish and Welsh MP's cannot vote on ( because they affect only English people ) then Labour will lose a lot of influence. Not having left wing MP's from Scotland and Wales to vote policies through will drastically reduce the power of the Labour party. England on its own, is proportionally rather more Tory than the entire Uk taken together.
Milliband is looking properly fazed by this. Labour's trousers are falling down. They've walked into a position all on their own because of the Scottish referendum and now they are there, they suddenly realise that they have walked into a trap that can really damage them.
People think Cameron is a fool. I disagree. I think he knows what he is doing or, at least, some of his advisors do.
The whole proposition from the Tories, Labour and UKIP looks set to change as we move toward next years election. I am not sure Milliband will last that long, either.
Interesting times..
This is all well and good. It is a positive evolution of UK democracy.
It is also getting the Left a bit frightened. If an English parliament passes laws that Scottish and Welsh MP's cannot vote on ( because they affect only English people ) then Labour will lose a lot of influence. Not having left wing MP's from Scotland and Wales to vote policies through will drastically reduce the power of the Labour party. England on its own, is proportionally rather more Tory than the entire Uk taken together.
Milliband is looking properly fazed by this. Labour's trousers are falling down. They've walked into a position all on their own because of the Scottish referendum and now they are there, they suddenly realise that they have walked into a trap that can really damage them.
People think Cameron is a fool. I disagree. I think he knows what he is doing or, at least, some of his advisors do.
The whole proposition from the Tories, Labour and UKIP looks set to change as we move toward next years election. I am not sure Milliband will last that long, either.
Interesting times..
Mrr T said:
I think you will find its much more complex than that. I think the word you are looking for is blunder not blinder!!!
CMD promised Scotland, to make Barnett permeant, and more powers including powers to tax and borrow.
He has now arrived back at No 10 to find out very few Conservatives MP will back this, Why would they? This is a potential game changer for UKIP. Their polling was falling but promising to overturn any legislation which gives Scotland additional money, or power without giving the same powers in England will put the Conservatives on the run. Most English Conservative MP have no option but to oppose any legislation proposed by CMD et all.
Clegg and Ed will stay very quirt and just talk about regional assemblies. While making it clear they will not vote for any type of English parliament.
CMD will then have the option of putting in place the legislation he promised relying on Labour and Lib Dem votes. Which would trigger an immediate leadership challenge or resigning.
CMD will be gone soon.
Maybe CMD doesn't want the job? Being PM must be exhausting and he is a family bloke.CMD promised Scotland, to make Barnett permeant, and more powers including powers to tax and borrow.
He has now arrived back at No 10 to find out very few Conservatives MP will back this, Why would they? This is a potential game changer for UKIP. Their polling was falling but promising to overturn any legislation which gives Scotland additional money, or power without giving the same powers in England will put the Conservatives on the run. Most English Conservative MP have no option but to oppose any legislation proposed by CMD et all.
Clegg and Ed will stay very quirt and just talk about regional assemblies. While making it clear they will not vote for any type of English parliament.
CMD will then have the option of putting in place the legislation he promised relying on Labour and Lib Dem votes. Which would trigger an immediate leadership challenge or resigning.
CMD will be gone soon.
An equally alternative scenario is to see the Tories charge forward under Boris and the flag of St George, rally the vote on an English parliament, marginalise UKIP and be back in charge in time for tea and biscuits.
Fittster said:
Look at the demographic of the vote, right wingers should be scared. They will be dead in 30 years.
"The website ConservativeHome (which now stages its own conferences) last month surveyed Conservative constituency associations which do return membership figures. It ads up to just under 60,000 paid-up members. This suggests total membership is unlikely to exceed 100,000 — less than half of the 253,600 when Cameron was elected leader.
‘Never mind trade unions, the Church of England, county cricket: the Conservative party has taken over the role of Britain’s most rapidly declining institution. With an average age of 68, the Conservative party is like a rural bus service whose clientele has dwindled year-on-year to an elderly rump, to the point at which it would be cheaper to replace it with a dial-a-ride taxi service.’"
This is a problem in politics in general. The Labour party is pretty skint these days and membership isn't exactly bursting."The website ConservativeHome (which now stages its own conferences) last month surveyed Conservative constituency associations which do return membership figures. It ads up to just under 60,000 paid-up members. This suggests total membership is unlikely to exceed 100,000 — less than half of the 253,600 when Cameron was elected leader.
‘Never mind trade unions, the Church of England, county cricket: the Conservative party has taken over the role of Britain’s most rapidly declining institution. With an average age of 68, the Conservative party is like a rural bus service whose clientele has dwindled year-on-year to an elderly rump, to the point at which it would be cheaper to replace it with a dial-a-ride taxi service.’"
Being a member of a political party just isn't common anymore. It doesn't meant that people don't vote though.
RYH64E said:
Johnnytheboy said:
MarshPhantom said:
Fair enough - how many people will vote for a party because they pledge to solve the WL issue. Many?
To put it another way, how many people will vote for a party that refuses to solve it?Any sense of unfairness out of this issue will become important. I think Labour are in real danger of running against the mood of people here and it could affect these vital swing voters.
XJ Flyer said:
The fact is there's no way that any party can put Unionist and Independence into its ideological title and maintain its credibility.
A union of the UK while being outside of a federal Europe is a perfectly legitimate objective. You are talking claptrap. They are not mutually exclusive.ash73 said:
I'm surprised how many people on here are dead against the EU, but want to create the exact same structure within the UK.
It isn't hard to understand at all. It is all about degrees. A federation of the nations of the UK would be small, manageable and relatively straightforward given our shared history. The EU is anything but these things.
OK, I get the idea that philosophically they are similar, but in practice and execution they would be quite different. It is pretty absurd to draw comparisons with regional assemblies or, even, national parliaments within the UK, with an EU superstate crossing over different cultures and different languages.
FiF said:
DJRC said:
Nope. Still not a clue.
Confess to being the guilty party giving that earlier advice to Zod. Seriously, just push the virtual ignore button. It won't stop the dismal outpourings but at least eharding and I can carry on our game of XJ Flyer bull s
t bingo.edh said:
I'm looking forward to labour winning a parliamentary majority with 35% of the vote
Thats a pretty sad state of affairs though, isn't it? If we have, say, a 65% turnout in the GE and Labour get 35%, it will mean that the country will be led by a government that less than 1 in 4 people actively voted for.
crankedup said:
Most of the Tories are over puffed wealthy chappies that have zero sense of real world life. In fairness at least the P.M. has had a stab at going to work for a brief period of time.
Wow. Just wow. Just like most Labour supporters live up north, have a whippet and play in a brass band at the weekends and think about their dad who worked down in't pits.
What cobblers.
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