Labour stretches lead over Tories

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According to this one:

http://preview.msn.com/en-gb/news/topstories/labou...

"According to ComRes, in the 40 crucial constituencies, Mr Miliband's party enjoys the backing of 41% of voters (up five points since a similar poll in June), ahead of the Tories on 30% (down one), Ukip unchanged on 17% and Liberal Democrats on 6% (down one)."

I just mean how ? How can they supposedly jump 5 points in 3 months.
I genuinely just don't get it ?

Yes yes I know polls can be fickle and in reality "I can get it" as I understand people change. I just DON'T see what they have done that's positive or the tories unduly negative to cause this.
Am I missing something that they did ? If so what.

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Bill said:

Depends when the poll was done. The figures just released say the economy isn't doing as well as hoped, a married Tory has just been caught sending pictures of his cock to a random on the Internet and Labour have just had a conference where they promised the moon on a stick.

Good point Bill.
It appears that poll was done between the 18th and 26th so before and during/ after the Labour conference but BEFORE (I believe) the Tory defection/ resignation and before the commons vote on air strikes. If I am wrong on that I stand corrected.

Information from this link here with a more complete breakdown of the questionnaire:

http://www.comres.co.uk/poll/1274/itv-news-margina...

"Methodology Note:

ComRes interviewed a representative sample of 1,000 GB adults living in the 40 most marginal constituencies where the Conservatives and Labour shared first and second place between them at the last General Election in 2010. Interviews were carried out online between the 18th and 26th September 2014. Of these 40 constituencies, 25 currently have a Conservative MP and 15 currently have a Labour MP. Each constituency is represented in the sample equally, with results weighted to be representative of all adults in all 40 constituencies as a whole. Data were also weighted by past vote recall. ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules. "

I can only think that the start of the conference and the NHS debate/ "we will do this" thing had an impact ?

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BlackLabel said:

Ashcroft's latest polling suggests the same.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/28/la...

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2014/09/told-tories-b...

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2014/09/ashcroft-nati...

I believe Labour only need a lead of 2 or 3 points for a majority whereas the Tories need a 7 or 8 point lead.

The first one you link to makes pretty stark reading. I am just generally surprised. I suspect it could be a "dirty election" personally.

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kingofdbrits said:

This is key for the little circle i move in, people i talk to don't Feel any better off. Personally I put this down to Energy costs. My petrol bill for 13-14 was £7341 (though much was claimed back, still paying tax on it), gas & elec was over £2500, as a result of high energy costs, everything costs more. So while I’ve had some pay increases I’m still worse off as my money doesn't go as far as it did 5+ years ago.

So from not giving a seconds thought to energy costs a few years ago to it being something i need to budget for as it's now the third biggest fix cost in my spreadsheet. I think this was the goal of the greenies, make us use less by forcing the costs up, but that's another debate.

I can't understand why anyone would have made a reasoned decision just yet about who to vote for, before the big parties have explained themselves, personally a vote winner for me will be energy policy, and i think Labours will be a bad one, or should i say, worse than the Tories?

One of the most truthful posts I have read in a while on here. Pretty much how we feel about gas and electric prices.I then start to wonder just how much its due to green extras being factored in.

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pablo said:

That the Tories have a "star" from the TV Show Benefits Street addressing the conference today says a lot...

Yes I had to check you were not on a wind up.
"White Dee" (heaven forbid she was another colour and you called her "black Dee" did indeed address a fringe meeting.
It just seems to speak of "pandering to be all inclusive" to me.
she has no relevance to many many people and just seems to be a woman who "got lucky" on TV

Mind you just the other week the UN allowed themselves to be addressed by Victoria Beckham which I found jaw dropping. Just as when real st was kicking off William Hague was getting photographed with that Jolie woman.

The tories can be as trendy as they want to be. I'm not really sure that's what a lot of people want from them. Some friends of ours vote Conservative purely because they believe they won't screw up the economy. They don't like half of them in the party but that's not important to them or why they vote.

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Well as I come back to the thread I see amongst the bleating waffle from some poor souls that thee are some good points made.
I have to say I do enjoy reading peoples views about history.
Back in 1997 I voted for Mr Blair prior to that I had voted a mixed bag at local level but conservative at the General Elections.
It started so well IMHO but then things started to happen.
Put simply I think amongst Dereks oceans of custard you get some plums and I think his comment about best of a bad bunch is about right. I don't trust Labour and certainly the current Labour players seem fake as. I wouldn't vote Liberal as I wouldn't trust them to deliver their aims. UKIP look appealing for several reasons but I think at this point its the Tories for me.
I didn't used to like the tories but I had respect for them. Now I don't like them for their desperate attempts to be liked and I think they are too soft to do what needs doing.
But at the end of the day..........................

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BlackLabel said:

Oh dear - they cannot even get their central election pledge correct.

Guardian said:

Labour’s key election pledge to rescue the ailing NHS with an extra £2.5bn a year has begun to unravel after the party admitted that the money would not be available until halfway through the next parliament.

The party has confirmed that none of the £2.5bn pledge, which formed the centrepiece of Ed Miliband’s speech to its conference in Manchester, would be raised in the first year of a Labour government.

Only an unspecified amount would be available in the second year, because Labour would need to steer a budget through parliament and pass legislation before its planned mansion tax, levy on tobacco firms and tax avoidance crackdown would yield any income.

Labour clarified the policy after the Guardian asked Miliband and Ed Balls, the shadow chancellor, for further details of its NHS spending plans for 2015 to 2020.

The disclosure sparked a row, with the coalition parties accusing Labour of deceit and “hypocritical posturing” over an issue it hopes will help it win the general election on 7 May next year.


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/05/la...

Surely its the idea that counts !
details are unimportant at this stage with an election so far off.

Oh err I mean err.....................

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SpeedMattersNot said:

They're the only party who represent the working class. Since I don't work, I want to selflessly vote for them so that they represent those that do work.

They are the only party who has a proper intervention plan for the obese private sector. The private sector are guilty of inputting the least into society but taking the most out of it.

Those who oppose Labour (typically Tories, but on PistonHeads they're for some strange reason UKIP fans) are out of touch of reality and blame the economic downturn on Labour. They fail to notice that the 1/3 of the globe went into meltdown and now they cling onto any advance the 'coalition' has made. Some coalition, they're about as authentic as Katy Perry and Russel Brand! As soon as they get the chance to split - they're all up for it.

Labour is the only honest party. They let you know who they favour and they let you know who they don't favour. Not even UKIP can confidently orchestrate that! (And for them it should be easy)

You are correct . Labour definitely let us know pre election 1997 that their leader favoured God and that God would be ok with him siding with the American President and getting it together by invading a foreign country. Very transparent I remember reading it in the manifesto and seeing tony explain that possible outcome in lots of pre election interviews.
At the last election they definitely let their supporters know that they would in the event of a hung parliament try to desperately scrabble a coalition together with err.. hang on a sec .... er..... oh yes ... just about EVERY party other than the conservatives. These complicated degrading talks went on for several days and didn't at all look desperate.
I know what you mean by honesty thanks for reminding me.

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Mojocvh said:

And there's only one lot who will do that.

Any party headed up by this mad bint maybe ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEzA7fH7v1I