A superb Speech and Vow by Cameron well above expectations

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Well well - I am a Tory voter but what a superb speech given today by Cameron the content and his passion over many different and key aspects of UK life the width and breath of the country.


Regardless of what an individuals natural voting position I think everyone would agree it was a vastly superior effort to Labour in every possible measure.


I had consigned myself to the fact we as a country were going to get labour in May next year however I'm really hoping those promises will move enough people into the Tory vote camp.

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smn159 said:

Caught a bit of it on the news, but sounded like tax cuts maybe in a few years for the better off, provided that all sorts of improbable things happen?

Tax free threshold increased to £12.5k that's helping everyone especially the lowest paid as that makes the biggest difference to them.

Min wage working 30hours a week no tax to pay that is superb taking a further 1million people out of tax altogether

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edh said:

Nope, the 15% lowest paid are already below the current tax threshold. Gives money to everyone else earning below £100k

Well it will be even more - do you know what % of people earn £12,499? If so it will clearly be more than 15% of the workforce that's only a good thing - far better than bringing in a 10% lower rate instead give 0% far simpler

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wsurfa said:

It's more than 90% of the full - time working population, but it's a bad thing because it wont remove income tax from those the currently don't pay it. That seems to be the crux of ehd's 'arguement' across at least 2 threads

Ok so ehd seems to think remove all tax and then give them a top up on the salary they earn. Suddenly those who earn a bit more actually are poorer than those on less income so they think why bother I'll have some of that

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Murph7355 said:

There are obviously no guarantees, but remember that he's not in power on his own. And I think the watered down austerity measures are in no small part down to the Lib Dems.

What I'd like to see of all parties is proper commitment to their policies and manifestos with dates and consequences for not making them.

The one thing he cannot and must not do should he get in is blame Labour any more. That ship, whilst justified for the last 5yrs IMO, has now sailed.

Personally I think they've made a reasonable fist of the economy and he's right to focus on it. They haven't cut far enough IMO. But maybe another term would see that happening.

Can't see them getting voted in though.

The only thing is Labour still blame the Torys for the 15% interest rates - yet totally forget they caused the UK to need an IMF loan in the 70's as they had bankrupt the country.... Then. They did it again when they came back to power Once is bad luck twice is careless three times you don't even get the chance to try to fail

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simoid said:

Cameron said inequality rose under Labour, and is falling under the Tories. What's the chat there, anybody got the figures?

Labour will have one set of stats Torys another - just like SNP pro Yes v Pro No all the experts and legal advice sought both sides essentially get to a draw on if

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Seems a fair bit of push back about it not being important to take people out of taxation - why is this? Surely its superior to a 10% threshold if you are arguing the toss between two parties non?

Imagine an objective of a £20k 0% income tax threshold..... Challenging for sure high set objective possibly beyond possible to deliver but a statement of what you want to do help the low paid (I consider low paid to be anyone under £26k UK average salary)