Another year and another broken promise

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'No if's or but's immigration will be reduced to the tens of thousands', this was the promise made by our P.M. back in 2010. Immigration numbers just released show that immigration is now higher than at any time at 268,000 people (2013 - 2014) mainly from Poland Bulgaria and Romania.
Mr Cameron has just felt another nail being firmly hammered home. Glee for Mr Farage I would imagine. What a complete and utter shambles this E.U. is, thankfully we did not join the Euro monetary system.

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BoRED S2upid said:

Isn't this what politics is all about? Making wild promises to gain power and not being able to do much about any of them? And then the classic ah but if labour hadn't done x,y and z I could have done something about it... Maybe... It will be exactly the same with the next lot.

Yes pretty well sums up the state of politics, not just in the U.K. either. As much as I would love to see a complete change in Government I fear UKIP simply will not have a clue regarding how to improve our lot! But then as was previously mentioned on another thread, 'can they be any worse'?

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Justayellowbadge said:

crankedup said:

'No if's or but's immigration will be reduced to the tens of thousands', this was the promise made by our P.M. back in 2010. Immigration numbers just released show that immigration is now higher than at any time at 268,000 people (2013 - 2014) mainly from Poland Bulgaria and Romania.
Mr Cameron has just felt another nail being firmly hammered home. Glee for Mr Farage I would imagine. What a complete and utter shambles this E.U. is, thankfully we did not join the Euro monetary system.

As I understand it, if you remove EU from the figures, net migration is still 160,000 odd, so your 'mainly' is palpably bks.

Depends where you read the numbers.

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heppers75 said:

Justayellowbadge said:

crankedup said:

'No if's or but's immigration will be reduced to the tens of thousands', this was the promise made by our P.M. back in 2010. Immigration numbers just released show that immigration is now higher than at any time at 268,000 people (2013 - 2014) mainly from Poland Bulgaria and Romania.
Mr Cameron has just felt another nail being firmly hammered home. Glee for Mr Farage I would imagine. What a complete and utter shambles this E.U. is, thankfully we did not join the Euro monetary system.

As I understand it, if you remove EU from the figures, net migration is still 160,000 odd, so your 'mainly' is palpably bks.

JAYB there is so much of what he says that is palpably bks it becomes somewhat difficult to actually differentiate!

As opposed to your posts which are all insignificant rubbish!

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wolves_wanderer said:

heppers75 said:

Well it would seem you do have some rather pent up resentment there... I shall leave you to that.

It also seems that the point I was making which is that the reason it is broken is because it would seem, though of course my limited experience (I am interested to know yours BTW outside of being able to use Google!) that those "immigrants" are willing to do jobs and then work harder than our indigenous workshy morons would ever contemplate. You then couple with the fact that when they are skilled have a more socially and familialy responsible attitude which is far less selfish than the likes of most of the ingrates who were born here have.

Then I think you start to understand why "blaming immigration" is pretty much a fallacy. If we had the people in this country who were willing to do those jobs rather than the likes of the ones on the BTL thread who think they have the right to a £400k house then we might be less shafted as a nation!

Pathetic. You are as usual throwing a massive broad brush over two entire groups of people based on your limited experiences of both. FWIW in a previous job I worked with a large number of both immigrants and "indigenous workshy morons" and found them to be pretty similar in terms of attitude to a quality of work. I did notice was about 80% of our shoplifters were from Eastern Europe, what I'm not daft enough to do, unlike you, is to extrapolate my limited experiences to tens of millions of people.

Is it not nothing if not ironic to call someone pathetic, accuse them of making sweeping statements based on their own limited experience - then proceed to do exactly the same?

But in your case it is true and accurate!

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turbobloke said:

crankedup said:

'No if's or but's immigration will be reduced to the tens of thousands', this was the promise made by our P.M. back in 2010.

Cameron pledged Tories would cut net migration to the tens of thousands but policy capable of doing so was never adopted by the coalition after opposition from Lib Dems. So the thread title should be 'another year hogtied by the useless Lib Dems' aka the 349ers.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOM, back of the net
If I didn't understand you better I would have consigned your post to the troll basket, but I make allowances in your case because I know I can respond in such a fashion and you will not take offence.

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wolves_wanderer said:

crankedup said:

heppers75 said:

wolves_wanderer said:

heppers75 said:

Well it would seem you do have some rather pent up resentment there... I shall leave you to that.

It also seems that the point I was making which is that the reason it is broken is because it would seem, though of course my limited experience (I am interested to know yours BTW outside of being able to use Google!) that those "immigrants" are willing to do jobs and then work harder than our indigenous workshy morons would ever contemplate. You then couple with the fact that when they are skilled have a more socially and familialy responsible attitude which is far less selfish than the likes of most of the ingrates who were born here have.

Then I think you start to understand why "blaming immigration" is pretty much a fallacy. If we had the people in this country who were willing to do those jobs rather than the likes of the ones on the BTL thread who think they have the right to a £400k house then we might be less shafted as a nation!

Pathetic. You are as usual throwing a massive broad brush over two entire groups of people based on your limited experiences of both. FWIW in a previous job I worked with a large number of both immigrants and "indigenous workshy morons" and found them to be pretty similar in terms of attitude to a quality of work. I did notice was about 80% of our shoplifters were from Eastern Europe, what I'm not daft enough to do, unlike you, is to extrapolate my limited experiences to tens of millions of people.

Is it not nothing if not ironic to call someone pathetic, accuse them of making sweeping statements based on their own limited experience - then proceed to do exactly the same?

But in your case it is true and accurate!

maybe he put the double negative in on purpose and he's agreeing with me

Nah, he isn't likely to agree with you or me any time soon, least I hope not otherwise this place would be as dull as ditch water. (www.I was brought up on a Council estate and dragged myself up to be a Director of six Companies.com).

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heppers75 said:

crankedup said:

Nah, he isn't likely to agree with you or me any time soon, least I hope not otherwise this place would be as dull as ditch water. (www.I was brought up on a Council estate and dragged myself up to be a Director of six Companies.com).

We have been here before petal... I will ask again just for fun though as you never replied last time or the time before when you made the same false statement.

However in for a penny - Please direct us all to the post or statement where I have said I am a director of six companies?

I know, just teasing. It was five Companies wasn't it.

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ikarl said:

Not sure why the laughing smiley is there, but each to their own!

What exactly is your point? because I may be missing it completely?!

The point I'm trying to make, and obviously not spelling it out in simple enough terms is; you remark that because there's a high volume of people in employment in the UK that the UK workforce is not work shy.

Just because there is a high volume of workers in the UK that does not mean that the UK is working to it's full potential and, from personal experience, I have found immigrant workers are willing to work harder, longer and apply themselves more.

In your personal experience, why do you think workers from overseas do work harder, longer and apply themselves more?
Some say they come over here because the pay is five times greater than their home Country.
Some say they enjoy 'in work benefits' and receive child allowances to send back to their home Country.
Some say they live in multi person rented rooms and are content with this as its still an improvement compared to their home Country.
Some say they send most of their wages back home, those wages equal a small fortune in annual terms.
Some say they are undercutting indigenous workers pay because they are accustomed to low pay and graft which for them is a short term ambition to start their own business in their home Country.

So who are the winners and losers in the great immigration debate so far as U.K. is concerned. The answer to that is easily seen in the rise of UKIP some may say.

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JagLover said:

Camoradi said:

So a politician made an undeliverable pledge in the run up to a general election

blimey

let's hope that never happens again

Scrapping the Human rights act is already Tory policy. In that context how is this undeliverable?

They can have all the ambition and manifesto promises in the World, but it means jot all for they are unelectable.