CAGE Jihadi Supporters

[Cheese Mechanic]

As if we were not aware. Apparently caught red handed supporting Islamic Extremism

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-...

Their alledged "research director" it seems.

More detail here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-i...

Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Friday 27th February 18:54

[Cheese Mechanic]

The truth, the most powerful weapon in the armoury , seems to frighten those who make excuses for Islamic lunacy.

I wonder why. Never mind, eh

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Dr Solomon said:

Do you think the security services are nice people? Do you think people who are 'approached' are treated nicely whether that be physically or emotionally in respect of their day-to-day lives? This is part of the problem with all this cloak and dagger stuff - whilst it works for certain threats, for other perceived or potential threats (or just 'recruitment') it can causes alienation (intended as part of the 'recruitment' process), however, there is also the risk of back-fire when you back certain (perhaps already unstable) individuals into a corner.

Actually, he came to light and received security services attention when he tried to join a Somali
Terror group, likely Al shahbab.

So, he got attention because his behaviour deemed it prudent. Never mind though, eh? You go on, keep making excuses for him after all, he is the victim, and the poor people who's heads he has sawn off deserved it, cos he thought so. You are one twisted , deluded, individual.

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Dr Solomon said:

See this is part of the problem - we blindly trust what we are told by the security services just so that we can be encouraged to believe in releasing what little we have left of our liberty and freedoms. We've seen it time and time again that we are lied to yet we still lap it up without question. It's sad that critical analysis and thinking is being dumbed down.

Why was he 'approached' in the first place?

These days loads of Moslems have been approached for 'recruitment' - most being just regular law abiding folk. So with this chap, is it just because one of his mates had a telephone conversation with Hussein Osman on the day of the attacks?

What happened to him?

He was refused entry into Tanzania, detained and interrogated; then interrogated in Amsterdam, they scuppered his plans to marry his fiance in Kuwait as well as his previously secured contract for work there - he was refused entry to Kuwait (where he was born, several times). He was repeatedly interrogated in the UK and attempted to be 'recruited', his family were harassed by the security services too. A series of events took place which the recently publicised emails show that it was a sequential process of breaking down an individual to the point where he considered suicide.

Now, I am not saying these 'methods' don't have their place but just as with 'stop and search', if you don't use them intelligently, things can back-fire.. there is a risk. If he was doing something wrong, why not arrest him?

Criminals should be arrested and suspects should be arrested and taken through due process. However, 'recruitment' of individuals to act as spies carries risk and one of these risks.

Yep, lets leave them alone and let them do as they wish, never mind if they kill people as they want, heck, they have rights, you know.

I think we have one, a full scale nutter. Mods?

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Dr Solomon said:

Wind your neck in - if you care to read what I wrote, why not arrest him if he was doing something wrong?

Not my neck thats out, its some crank making excuses for a murdering lunatic. Your posts need flagging up.

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Dr Solomon said:

I am not making excuses, I am just saying we need to stop our tunnel vision.
Anyway, bite me.

Course we do, we all have excuses for murdering nutters. Bite you? Why should I do that? You are the one extolling violence.

Nobody knows who you are , but after your looney tirade, somebody will. Thats your problem like JJ, self made.

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Dr Solomon said:

Sounds like a veiled attempt at a threat.. and you call me a looney.

I foretold this kind of response. I am too close to the truth when it comes to you. In fact, I'm 99.9% on the nail, certain of it. You walk like a duck, talk like a duck, sound like a duck, you are a duck.

Incidentally, Israel as a location? Obviously never heard of reverse psychology.

Oh, and incidentally, they will. Your actions, not mine

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Dr Solomon said:

Not all people who are 'approached' are on the radar because they have done something wrong. If they have done something wrong, why not arrest them? It could be because they attend the same school, place of work, place of worship or because they originate from the same or similar place - a multitude of reasons. Many are successful recruits and I'm sure, do our security services much good and are living quite nice lives. However, I am sure that some are perhaps blackmailed into 'helping' and others are perhaps tipped over the edge (into suicide or extreme acts like the chap in question).

I don't see where I have justified killing innocent people, in-fact, I have stated the exact opposite. I am also saying that perhaps his treatment by the security services was a contributor to some of his decisions and behaviour. Maybe some of you don't like that view but that's my relatively informed view.

Taqiyya (essentially) As any fool knows they are monitired because they may well adjoin to a nut job outfit. As did JJ. They had him right all the way along. Bet he makes bigger excuses for his barbaric murders than you do.

Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Sunday 1st March 18:25

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Dr Solomon said:

Now I'm no expert but assuming this chap wasn't Shi'a, a Sunni wouldn't apply or even believe in a Shi'a concept.

Fascinating response. Took the bait, hook line and sinker.Your false ignorance is glareing (As any Muslim reader will know)

Reverse psychology is totally lost on you. What part of London you from?

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Dr Solomon said:

What are you talking about? I am not from London.

Obviously not

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Dr Solomon said:

Like I said.. and you call me a looney.

Quite simply, because you are. Smilies and other frippery will not change that. Anyhow , this will have already been flagged. Best look up another sleeper account.

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Dr Solomon said:

Looking at your posting history, I think you and your ilk are spawn of Alf Garnett (ironically he was Jewish).

Totally missed that as well, Johnny Speight's scriptwriting was an intentional spoof on racial bigotry, Mitchell merely portrayed it.

Curiously enough, he made no excuses for hacking peoples heads off like you do.

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longblackcoat said:

At the same time, Britain doesn't help itself. Going into various conflicts in the Middle East without considering what sort of backlash might occur was foolhardy, and the general anti-Muslim tone in the media won't persuade any potentially extremists that peace and integration is the answer.

Alarming comment. Since when does a vocal religous minority dictate UK foreign policy? Repeatedly, it has to be said that the negative attitude toward Islam is entirely because of the actions of all too many of its followers. Simple as that.

As to UK foreign policy , it will never be all things to all men , I was alarmed at Gulf War 2 as example, but thats what governments are for, to govern and hopefully make the right decisions. Getting it right more than they do would be good, but nobody is infallible.

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longblackcoat said:

Where have I said that a religious minority should determine foreign policy?

Whilst you have not literally said as such , you are implying that. UK foreign policy should be instigated at the benefit of the country as a whole, and not be diverted from that because some nutters are going to use it as an excuse to murder people in the name of some crackpot religous belief.

The biggest killers of Muslims are other Muslims. Irrespective of the claims exhibited by many of them of blaming the west for everything.