Trade union and socialist coalition party

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Dave Nellist fronted their party political broadcast on tv tonight.
One of their policies is for a £10hr minimum wage
A supporter/spokesman said the bosses are the enemy.

Would these be the same bosses who are going to pay £10hr or different bosses ?

Still stuck in the 1970's eh Dave.Bring on the revolution

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fblm said:

I'm not what one would normally call socialist but that hardly seems unreasonable to me

Who's going to pay for it ?
At the moment a lot of low paid workers have their wages supplemented....or subsidised depending on your viewpoint...by tax credits.Move the onus onto the employer and you will see thousands of job losses

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fblm said:

Customers instead of taxpayers.

Selective quoter I see,you should be in the media

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TwigtheWonderkid said:

But that's not what we were told before it was first introduced in 1998. Before it's introduction, we were told it would be a disaster and millions of small business would go to the wall. And the rate back in 1998, £3.60/hour for those aged 23 and over, and £3.20 for 18-22 year olds. Looking back now, I bet if any of you are completely honest, you opposed its introduction then but now you can't actually believe we paid grown men and women under £3.60 an hour in 1998!!! Am I right? Be honest, no one knows you on here!

Do people seriously think Burger King and Hilton Hotels will go bust if they have to pay £10/hour minimum. As said, 85% of people on NMW work for companies with a turnover in excess of £100m.

Some of you are confusing turnover with profit.Amazon being a prime example.Huge turnover yet making losses year on year

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Re: minimum wage and tax credits.
The time to transfer the onus from the tax payer to the business is not when the world is in an economic slowdown.
If we were experiencing good growth in all sectors then yes,increase minimum wage and cut tax credits.Until then no.
Far better to reduce income tax on low earners

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TwigtheWonderkid said:

Well perhaps we shouldn't force them to pay out for fire extinguishers and electrical safety certificates, to ease their burden. But then again, I bet you wouldn't want your family to have to go into shops and restaurants that were a potential fire hazard.

You're happy for other people to suffer to make these businesses viable, and earn a crap wage, but you wouldn't be happy for potential money saving measures to help business to impact on you and yours. And you call me a keyboard warrior!

Lot's of people on here prepared to defend apparently non viable businesses to the last drop of someone else's blood!

So,the government/tax payer stops supporting non viable businesses as you call them.Then what ? If they are non viable they will close and jobs will be lost.The workers will then have to claim benefits which will mean even more cost to the taxpayer will it not ?

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TwigtheWonderkid said:

If anyone read the link to the Chelsea FC website, you would have seen this para:

‘We believe the move to the Living Wage underlines our commitment to ensuring that all our employees receive a fair rate of pay for their hard work and dedication. Quite simply it is the right thing to do.’

That sums it up for me. It's the same argument as I would use to argue against importing goods produced by child labour. Or in dangerous factories on the sub continent that fall down and kill hundreds. Yes, it may push up prices. Yes, it may prove to be slightly inflationary. But...it's the right thing to do.

I take it you don't have any Apple products then

BTW.Chelsea FC are hardly a good example.Money is no object to them.What about a club in the conference ?

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I raise you Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party.He wants £12ph minimum wage and EU withdrawal.
Where do I put my cross ?