Half a million VWs recalled, sneaky emissions software.
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The US Govt has asked VW to recall 500000 Diesel engined vehicles after it was found the engine management knew when the engine was under test and the software reduced the emissions to pass the strict anti pollution regs they have in the States.
Unable to post a link, but this could be interesting.
Unable to post a link, but this could be interesting.
Pesty said:
MarshPhantom said:
Yes, I was amazed there's half a million diesels in the US.
They quite like their diesels in their bro dozers.Sure I read somewhere about the first diesel car introduced in America suffered terrible engine problems, and diesel got a bad reputation that it struggled to shake off.
RobGT81 said:
Scuffers said:
problem here is the levels of NOx being targeted are stupidly low.
Yes, NOx is bad news in urban environments at high levels, but I would argue the levels mandated back under EU3/4 were plenty stiff enough, we have got to the point now where it's detrimental to other emissions.
Indeed, more harmful emissions from tyres than heavy duty Euro6 diesels. Yes, NOx is bad news in urban environments at high levels, but I would argue the levels mandated back under EU3/4 were plenty stiff enough, we have got to the point now where it's detrimental to other emissions.
SpeckledJim said:
Cobnapint said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
One thing is for certain; they all do it. That is the general opinion of those where I work (we work with diesel engines).
You bet. If they 'weren't' doing it you'd be hearing a string of statements from the likes of Ford, Toyota, etc, claiming unfair market advantage bla bla.Haven't heard a sole.
One more things for certain, I bet this delays the upcoming release of quite a few new models from all manufacturers, purely on 'technical grounds' of course.
I think someone's going to jail this time.
REALIST123 said:
Almost everyone I've spoken to about this doesn't give a f
k as long as they're getting somewhere near the mpg they expected, which in the main they do
In the same way most people didn't give a fk as long as they're getting somewhere near the mpg they expected, which in the main they do k about lead in petrol. I'm sure you'll agree it's withdrawal has been nothing but a good thing.People I know don't get anywhere near official mpg figures.
FiF said:
I'd go further, in that the diesel haters and VW haters lumping onto the back of this is doing the ecogreenblob and grandstanding politicos work for them.
Then add the probability that testing and on the open highway relevance to that will result in increased scrutiny with the distinct possibility that driveability of vehicles will end up like a BMW in eco mode or the Fiat 500 Euro6 gutless wonder.
So VW and it's critics on a motoring forum might just be doing us a real belter of a kick in the nuts. Thanks guys
What a ridiculous post.Then add the probability that testing and on the open highway relevance to that will result in increased scrutiny with the distinct possibility that driveability of vehicles will end up like a BMW in eco mode or the Fiat 500 Euro6 gutless wonder.
So VW and it's critics on a motoring forum might just be doing us a real belter of a kick in the nuts. Thanks guys
pattyg said:
I think, along with others on here that this has the potential to bring down VAG. There just does not seem to be any cheap or reasonable solution to the massive fines, recalls and lawsuits without some kind of intervention.
Does anyone see a way out for them?
Uncertainty is the thing - The BP oil spill has been mentioned as comparable but that didn't stop people using BP garages. Worst case scenario VW go under, so would buy a new VW now knowing this could happen?Does anyone see a way out for them?
Burwood said:
RYH64E said:
Burwood said:
pattyg said:
I think, along with others on here that this has the potential to bring down VAG. There just does not seem to be any cheap or reasonable solution to the massive fines, recalls and lawsuits without some kind of intervention.
Does anyone see a way out for them?
You'd only think that if you believe the total cost will exceed BPs recent disaster. The company isn't going anywhereDoes anyone see a way out for them?
FiF said:
Munter said:
dmsims said:
and now SEAT
I hope this kills Diesel cars permanently
Ok could all the people who don't know that VW/AUDI/SEAT/Skoda are all one and the same company, with the same engines etc under the skin, please identify themselves for a selective culling.I hope this kills Diesel cars permanently
Pan Pan Pan said:
Any person who purports to be any kind of motoring enthusiast, who then attacks the fuel choice of another motorist, is naively doing the ecof*ckwits work for them. You might have heard of the old divide and conquer strategy? Well that is exactly what those Knee jerk specialist calling for a ban on diesels are doing now, and as posted before, once they have got rid of diesels, they are going to start in on ridding the world of
petrol engined vehicles.
The root cause of just about every type of pollution one could care to mention, has a little old human at the bottom of it, But we don't hear people bleating on about banning the production of children to `Save the Planet' do we?
The duplicity of the ecof*ckwits is truly astounding, yet no one bleats that we should ban all ecof*ckwits.
So just as in this case, don't get carried along with all the knee jerk idiots who want to ban diesels in a kind of mob frenzy attack, and defend the cause of motoring generally, rather than attack another part of it which just happens to different to the one you use. There are enough threats to motorists rights already without some of us jumping on the ecof*ckwits band wagon as well.
Not looking good for dmsims....petrol engined vehicles.
The root cause of just about every type of pollution one could care to mention, has a little old human at the bottom of it, But we don't hear people bleating on about banning the production of children to `Save the Planet' do we?
The duplicity of the ecof*ckwits is truly astounding, yet no one bleats that we should ban all ecof*ckwits.
So just as in this case, don't get carried along with all the knee jerk idiots who want to ban diesels in a kind of mob frenzy attack, and defend the cause of motoring generally, rather than attack another part of it which just happens to different to the one you use. There are enough threats to motorists rights already without some of us jumping on the ecof*ckwits band wagon as well.
There is a huge difference between MMGW and local pollution in city centres, which is where diesel is the problem. Yes, diesel is cleaner than it used to be but the number of diesel vehicles has increased exponentially since the early 90s.
Pan Pan Pan said:
As has the number of people arriving on the planet (up to 345 thousand net new humans per day) an increasing proportion of whom, will want to burn things so that they can move around.
China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
My point was you can't do anything MMGW but you can tackle local air quality issues. You seem to be suggesting that as China has poor air quality we should suck it up too.China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
Pan Pan Pan said:
As has the number of people arriving on the planet (up to 345 thousand net new humans per day) an increasing proportion of whom, will want to burn things so that they can move around.
China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
My point was you can't do anything MMGW but you can tackle local air quality issues. You seem to be suggesting that as China has poor air quality we should suck it up too.China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
Pan Pan Pan said:
MarshPhantom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
As has the number of people arriving on the planet (up to 345 thousand net new humans per day) an increasing proportion of whom, will want to burn things so that they can move around.
China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
My point was you can't do anything MMGW but you can tackle local air quality issues. You seem to be suggesting that as China has poor air quality we should suck it up too.China and India and South America each with vast populations, which up to now have been countries largely based on low tech agriculture, are now doing their best to change into modern industrialized vehicle using, consumer based countries.
An already colossal and rapidly growing global population, that will want to increase its uptake of all resources, set against a finite planet with finite resources.
Interesting times lay ah
ead.
In reality it may make no difference how clean / economical we make vehicles, if we counter those improvements with huge increases in the numbers of additional vehicles /users, the end result for resource uptake and increased waste and emissions can only go one way.
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