The 1975 EEC referendum
Discussion
Pan Pan Pan said:
Eric Mc said:
And not forgetting the state of the UK as an economy and what it had just come through back in 1975.
Yes. it was in a dire position then, with James Callaghan having to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout. Possibly one of the UK`s lowest points since WW2?I was far too young to vote then but bearing in mind the USSR still a major power, the wall was still up in Berlin I very much doubt anyone would actually believe a time traveler.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Eric Mc said:
And not forgetting the state of the UK as an economy and what it had just come through back in 1975.
Yes. it was in a dire position then, with James Callaghan having to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout. Possibly one of the UK`s lowest points since WW2?Our economy isn't failing in the same way as that of Greece, we don't have high rates of unemployment as is the case in Spain and Italy, our economy isn't in recession, we're not part of Schengen and don't have open borders, we're not accepting millions of refugees as is the case in Germany, we're not tied to the euro and still have control over our currency... We're part of the EU and we're doing well, within the EU. What's the problem?
A more relevant time is just before the treaty of Maastricht.
Only a few brave Tory MPs rebelled against that treaty, but it was that treaty above all others that turned the EC onto the path of a federal state.
It rather puts into context complaints about Tory "infighting" in the period. Only a few actually realised the significance of what was being signed!
Only a few brave Tory MPs rebelled against that treaty, but it was that treaty above all others that turned the EC onto the path of a federal state.
It rather puts into context complaints about Tory "infighting" in the period. Only a few actually realised the significance of what was being signed!
RYH64E said:
Whereas today the UK is doing quite well, the economy is growing, employment is high, life is good...
Our economy isn't failing in the same way as that of Greece, we don't have high rates of unemployment as is the case in Spain and Italy, our economy isn't in recession, we're not part of Schengen and don't have open borders, we're not accepting millions of refugees as is the case in Germany, we're not tied to the euro and still have control over our currency... We're part of the EU and we're doing well, within the EU. What's the problem?
I'll have a go... Sovereignty? Our economy isn't failing in the same way as that of Greece, we don't have high rates of unemployment as is the case in Spain and Italy, our economy isn't in recession, we're not part of Schengen and don't have open borders, we're not accepting millions of refugees as is the case in Germany, we're not tied to the euro and still have control over our currency... We're part of the EU and we're doing well, within the EU. What's the problem?
Puggit said:
RYH64E said:
Whereas today the UK is doing quite well, the economy is growing, employment is high, life is good...
Our economy isn't failing in the same way as that of Greece, we don't have high rates of unemployment as is the case in Spain and Italy, our economy isn't in recession, we're not part of Schengen and don't have open borders, we're not accepting millions of refugees as is the case in Germany, we're not tied to the euro and still have control over our currency... We're part of the EU and we're doing well, within the EU. What's the problem?
I'll have a go... Sovereignty? Our economy isn't failing in the same way as that of Greece, we don't have high rates of unemployment as is the case in Spain and Italy, our economy isn't in recession, we're not part of Schengen and don't have open borders, we're not accepting millions of refugees as is the case in Germany, we're not tied to the euro and still have control over our currency... We're part of the EU and we're doing well, within the EU. What's the problem?
Its like being in a 40+ year abusive relationship.
You are unappreciated, abused, money taken from, bent over backwards and shafted, shouted down and told what to do, told you will fail if you leave the relationship, told you are useless and cant survive being outside, no one will like or be friends with you ever plus you will be poor forever and you've never had it so good as you do now and perhaps if you wont be abused AS much in the future if you keep quiet now.
superlightr said:
can I have a go as well.....
Its like being in a 40+ year abusive relationship.
You are unappreciated, abused, money taken from, bent over backwards and shafted, shouted down and told what to do, told you will fail if you leave the relationship, told you are useless and cant survive being outside, no one will like or be friends with you ever plus you will be poor forever and you've never had it so good as you do now and perhaps if you wont be abused AS much in the future if you keep quiet now.
To use your analogy, it's like divorcing your wife because she snores in bed and spends too much on shoes, then finding out you've saved £50/month on the shoe bill but the divorce has cost you £1m. Imo, learn to live with the snoring and don't get hung up over the cost of shoes.Its like being in a 40+ year abusive relationship.
You are unappreciated, abused, money taken from, bent over backwards and shafted, shouted down and told what to do, told you will fail if you leave the relationship, told you are useless and cant survive being outside, no one will like or be friends with you ever plus you will be poor forever and you've never had it so good as you do now and perhaps if you wont be abused AS much in the future if you keep quiet now.
RYH64E said:
superlightr said:
can I have a go as well.....
Its like being in a 40+ year abusive relationship.
You are unappreciated, abused, money taken from, bent over backwards and shafted, shouted down and told what to do, told you will fail if you leave the relationship, told you are useless and cant survive being outside, no one will like or be friends with you ever plus you will be poor forever and you've never had it so good as you do now and perhaps if you wont be abused AS much in the future if you keep quiet now.
To use your analogy, it's like divorcing your wife because she snores in bed and spends too much on shoes, then finding out you've saved £50/month on the shoe bill but the divorce has cost you £1m. Imo, learn to live with the snoring and don't get hung up over the cost of shoes.Its like being in a 40+ year abusive relationship.
You are unappreciated, abused, money taken from, bent over backwards and shafted, shouted down and told what to do, told you will fail if you leave the relationship, told you are useless and cant survive being outside, no one will like or be friends with you ever plus you will be poor forever and you've never had it so good as you do now and perhaps if you wont be abused AS much in the future if you keep quiet now.
superlightr said:
Puggit said:
RYH64E said:
Whereas today the UK is doing quite well, the economy is growing, employment is high, life is good...
Our economy isn't failing in the same way as that of Greece, we don't have high rates of unemployment as is the case in Spain and Italy, our economy isn't in recession, we're not part of Schengen and don't have open borders, we're not accepting millions of refugees as is the case in Germany, we're not tied to the euro and still have control over our currency... We're part of the EU and we're doing well, within the EU. What's the problem?
I'll have a go... Sovereignty? Our economy isn't failing in the same way as that of Greece, we don't have high rates of unemployment as is the case in Spain and Italy, our economy isn't in recession, we're not part of Schengen and don't have open borders, we're not accepting millions of refugees as is the case in Germany, we're not tied to the euro and still have control over our currency... We're part of the EU and we're doing well, within the EU. What's the problem?
Its like being in a 40+ year abusive relationship.
You are unappreciated, abused, money taken from, bent over backwards and shafted, shouted down and told what to do, told you will fail if you leave the relationship, told you are useless and cant survive being outside, no one will like or be friends with you ever plus you will be poor forever and you've never had it so good as you do now and perhaps if you wont be abused AS much in the future if you keep quiet now.
I would go as far as saying the majority of the UK public were far less well informed in 1975, and most probably believed they were only signing up to trading agreement, not a European super state, headed in the main by one country, that would infiltrate its unwanted control over all aspects of life in the UK, and other member states.
If they had been told then, that they were joining an organization which would be controlled by the very country, that just a few years before they been fighting and dying against to prevent it from controlling Europe, and into something, that would change into something very different from what they were being sold at the time, I imagine manyu would vote to stay out.
If they had been told then, they would be joining an organization which agreed to make significant changes to its CAP in exchange for extra billions of UK taxpayers cash, but which then not only made NO changes whatsoever to the CAP (remind me again, which country gets the most out of the CAP, a clue it is not the UK!) and continued to take the extra billions of UK taxpayers cash, but gave none of it back to the UK, which is ironic since it is the UK`s money in the first place. And then the EU has the nerve to fine the UK millions of pounds, for not spending its own money the way the EU wants it to!
Or how about the leader of a certain single EU country, who invited in millions of immigrants, and when that leader realized what a mistake they had made, wanted to foist them off onto other member states, who were given NO say in the matter, and were threatened with a 250 thousand Euro fine, for Every single immigrant they refused to take./
Or how about an organization which was happy to throw billions of Euros at a corrupt basket case country which should never have been admitted in the first place to keep the European super state wet dream alive (much of which came from the UK, as the UK is the EU`s second largest net contributor of funds INTO the EU coffers) but which would not even consider modest reforms requested by its second largest net contributor claiming that the UK was already receiving `special treatment'
Or how about an organization which makes some member states carry out several referendums until those countries come up with the result the EU wants, or in some cases completely ignores the results, because it does not suit the EU`s agenda.
My guess would be that, knowing what we know now, about the corrupt, un democratic, unaccountable, money grabbing, money wasting, over regulating monster that the EEC has morphed into, most people with any intelligence, would want to stay as far away from the cancer that is the current EU as possible, and would have voted resoundingly to keep away from it in 1975.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 24th May 13:34
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