Tesla Master Plan part deux
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https://www.tesla.com/blog/master-plan-part-deux
A world like this would be quite different. no petrol stations, automated charging stations, but most charging done at home.
Far fewer garages/mechanics required. EV's are much simpler and autonomous driving creates fewer accidents so far fewer repairs.
Less commercial parking required - better use of city centre land?
Cars that make money for you , or alternatively cheaper point to point transport if you dont want to own one.
tesla said:
So, in short, Master Plan, Part Deux is:
Create stunning solar roofs with seamlessly integrated battery storage
Expand the electric vehicle product line to address all major segments
Develop a self-driving capability that is 10X safer than manual via massive fleet learning
Enable your car to make money for you when you aren't using it
Very interesting plan.Create stunning solar roofs with seamlessly integrated battery storage
Expand the electric vehicle product line to address all major segments
Develop a self-driving capability that is 10X safer than manual via massive fleet learning
Enable your car to make money for you when you aren't using it
- fast iteration of production of model 3's
- cover the rest of the transport needs with compact suv and pickup
- smaller autonomous buses + 'Semi's' (trucks) , both in development
- an app for autonomous tesla sharing, makes model 3's affordable for everyone?
A world like this would be quite different. no petrol stations, automated charging stations, but most charging done at home.
Far fewer garages/mechanics required. EV's are much simpler and autonomous driving creates fewer accidents so far fewer repairs.
Less commercial parking required - better use of city centre land?
Cars that make money for you , or alternatively cheaper point to point transport if you dont want to own one.
where is your reusable rocket or gigafactory clonmult said:
Some Gump said:
Oh, and the minor point - current cars last 15-20 years easy. How many lithium ion batteries get past 5? Call me a cynic, but IMO if somone had a battery that lasted a decent amount of time, someone would have mentioned it to Nokia, Samsung, Apple, HTC etc etc - it'd be quite a USP =)
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ks. Well, for one, Nokia aren't currently in the mobile market ... but thats being pedantic. Samsung, Apple, Sony, etc. are in a situation where they want you to replace your device every 1 or 2 years. They have absolutely no interest in improving battery longevity.And there is an important difference between battery life and battery longevity.
They are used as cabs in many countries..
Some Gump said:
Autonomous driving? Miles away.
Yes, if you had read the link it explains its miles away, literally. But its going ot happen, and happen in the next 5 years, BMW have already scheduled a release of a self driving car within 5 years. Goggle, ford, Volvo etc etc are all working on this, no one is investing in it because it wont happen. But I guess you are smarter than them..Orchid1 said:
The whole charge time still puts people off though I think.
I'm sure it was Renault who had the idea years ago of making batteries smaller and removable so that say you were running low on power you would drive to a charging station much like a petrol station and park over a mechanism in the ground which would remove the empty battery and replace it with a charged one. The empty battery would then be kept underground and charged then given to someone else etc etc.
Remember most will be charged over night, and most peoples trips are quite short, so only need charging occasionally.I'm sure it was Renault who had the idea years ago of making batteries smaller and removable so that say you were running low on power you would drive to a charging station much like a petrol station and park over a mechanism in the ground which would remove the empty battery and replace it with a charged one. The empty battery would then be kept underground and charged then given to someone else etc etc.
Supercharger can get a tesla to 80% in 30min, not too bad for now for a 300km range.
Problem with smaller batteries is they take longer to charge, apart from the s
tty range. Tesla did demo a changeable battery but its really not worth the effort now.TEKNOPUG said:
True but you are actively increasing the demand for something that is still a problem. I'm sure someone brighter than me and with more time on their hands, could calculate the amount of electricity required to charge the 35m vehicles in the UK each night and therefore how many new generators would require to be constructed.
Just the energy cost to refine and transport vehicle fuel would cover most peoples daily trips. Not every car will need fully recharging every day either..Jader1973 said:
I can refuel my car in 5 minutes and then have a 700km range. Amazing isn't it! I can also drive it wherever I want and am highly likely be able to find someplace to fill it up (in 5 minutes). Truely awesome tech!
As per an earlier post in this thread, I read an article about the new E Class today: the tech in it is truely amazing and way ahead of anything Tesla has.
They also aren't pushing the "look it can drive itself" angle, probably because they (and every other established manufacturer) know how dangerous it is due to the immature tech something Tesla seem happy to ignore.
What percentage of drivers do 700kmns a day? What percentage of drivers do you want doing 700kms a day without a 30min break in there? Thats a stop for toilet, coffee and a sandwich. BEV's could be made with that range with huge batteries but almost no one would ever need it. The average daily mileage is tiny, and 300km range covers almost every trip.As per an earlier post in this thread, I read an article about the new E Class today: the tech in it is truely amazing and way ahead of anything Tesla has.
They also aren't pushing the "look it can drive itself" angle, probably because they (and every other established manufacturer) know how dangerous it is due to the immature tech something Tesla seem happy to ignore.
And think of how many times you are filling up your car, 5min what once a week? BEV's you almost always recharge at home overnight so you overall will save more time than loose.
joema said:
So electric vehicles could potentially reduce one issue depending on energy source and if its clean.
But it doesn't address issue of the amount of vehicles on the road in a finite space.
Suppose autopilot could increase efficiency once the software behind it gets advanced enough.
A fully autonomous transport system would be far more efficient.But it doesn't address issue of the amount of vehicles on the road in a finite space.
Suppose autopilot could increase efficiency once the software behind it gets advanced enough.
No waiting at lights, far faster travel, more efficient routing etc.
Much smaller public transport taking you door to door will get more people out of solo occupancy cars too.
Lets see how good old stable USA industry is doing.
Motor vehicles:
Recently GM,Ford and Chrysler asked for $50bn bail out, got $25bn, then a further $17bn emergency bail out , and then Chrysler and GM promptly went bankrupt.
Rockets:
ULA get $1bn a year government subsidy just to do nothing other than exist. Even with this subsidy they cant compete with SpaceX, the last military launch contract they didnt even bid because their launch would be $460million in comparison to $93million.
Every business is going to try milk the government for subsidies and incentives. You'd be stupid not to.
Motor vehicles:
Recently GM,Ford and Chrysler asked for $50bn bail out, got $25bn, then a further $17bn emergency bail out , and then Chrysler and GM promptly went bankrupt.
Rockets:
ULA get $1bn a year government subsidy just to do nothing other than exist. Even with this subsidy they cant compete with SpaceX, the last military launch contract they didnt even bid because their launch would be $460million in comparison to $93million.
Every business is going to try milk the government for subsidies and incentives. You'd be stupid not to.
mybrainhurts said:
:cough: new battery :cough: $29,000 :cough: at cost :splutter:
Where did you see that?list price for the 85kw is $45k I think if you just wander in off the street wanting one.
But if you actually own a tesla its:
$12,000 for 85 kWh
$10,000 for 60 kWh
Guaranteed.
How much would BMW charge you for a complete M5 powerplant?
I think there is 3 certainties here.
BEV's will become a significant part of our fleet
Self driving cars are ~5 years away
Autonomous cars for hire will happen shortly after that
I'm not sure if Tesla will be as big a player in that as they hope, but they have a significant lead on battery production and the most active learning fleet out there
BEV's will become a significant part of our fleet
Self driving cars are ~5 years away
Autonomous cars for hire will happen shortly after that
I'm not sure if Tesla will be as big a player in that as they hope, but they have a significant lead on battery production and the most active learning fleet out there
otolith said:
mybrainhurts said:
Musky annouced, not so very long ago, that existing owners of his Elise based zizzmobile could buy an uprated battery at cost, as a special favour. That was quoted as $29,000.
Behold ----> http://shop.teslamotors.com/products/roadster-3-0-...
The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?
"The reason the cost per kWh is higher than a Model S battery is due to the almost entirely hand-built, low-volume (only 2 or 3 per week) nature of Roadster battery packs. It also includes additional work to remove, upgrade, and reinstall the power electronics module (PEM.)"Behold ----> http://shop.teslamotors.com/products/roadster-3-0-...
The battery will fail. M5 powerplant total failure? How many of those have gone tits up?
Pretty sure my brothers 996 is still sat there without an engine too....
The batteries are pretty robust from use, the technology used and recharging is pretty good.
When you get to 8 years (unlimited mileage..) you are guaranteed 70% capacity so thats still near 200 miles on a charge for a p85d.
The batteries are pretty robust from use, the technology used and recharging is pretty good.
When you get to 8 years (unlimited mileage..) you are guaranteed 70% capacity so thats still near 200 miles on a charge for a p85d.
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