Iplayer to need TV licence from 1/9/2016 - full fee required

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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/aug/01/bbc-...



So those who elect not to pay by previously "playing the game" and firing the other individuals who do pay subsidise their cheapness (and sadly it will be the most needy who suffered the most).


So now no way round it - good.
If you don't like BBC content then stream other channels if you do you pay up, really you should also pay for the Radio service.

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technodup said:

don't know but as soon as it happens there will be a workaround somewhere.

I already pay for my internet thanks very much. They can fk off trying to 'licence' it. At least the TV licence pays for (ste BBC) content, what would an internet tax pay for that we're not already getting for free (or paying for voluntarily)? Socialist bds.

I really wish government would just stop for a while. Nothing new. No changes. Just let us be.

Well you raise an interesting point. On the weekend I was reading one of the papers telegraph or The times not sure which but none the less one of the articles is that in the UK we have one of he cheapest internets available. However the cost to upgrade the system and its ongoing viability cost wise was challenging so it looks likely Internet costs will be increasing without any govt tax involvement.

One thing for sure in life is tax - I try my best to legally avoid as much as I can but I'm learning there really isn't that much you can not waste too much time worrying about it

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klootzak said:

Seems fair to me, but then I'd rather like to get the Beeb for £145 a year. For all its failings the BBC is massively better than anything we have normal access to in New Zealand, and the licence fee is about half the price of a local Sky subscription.

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Our sky subscription is £135pcm!

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technodup said:

Welshbeef said:

Our sky subscription is £135pcm!

You need to give them the call that you're leaving then.

Who pays that for Sky ffs?

Anyone with Skyq.

Remember fibre is £20
Land line £18
So £38pcm before you even have tele

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technodup said:

And there's me with my broadband, home phone and unlimited calls on the mobile for less than £50. And no TV licence obviously.

Not that I'm smug about it.

Yes but like for like we pay the same.

You are electing to stream Sky Atlantic stream pay per view sports and movies - I'm legally paying the price.

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Jobbo said:

Welshbeef said:

Anyone with Skyq.

Remember fibre is £20
Land line £18
So £38pcm before you even have tele

You spend £97 per month on the telly package? You do know that grot is available online?!

Where? And how do I get that connected to my TV?

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AndStilliRise said:

Looks like some of the BBC License Detectives are scaremongering. Good luck to you, but this is PH.

I keep asking where and how legally can I get to watch all sky sports sky movies sky Atlantic Fox and all BBC channels for free? As I want to post it up on Martin Lewis money saving expert I think it's a superb idea that we as PH could support and publish where and how to do it (as it is totally legal to do so). We could save the hard working poor and everyone else in the country a small fortune.


If there isn't a response I guess we can accept that clearly it isn't legal which I'm highly confident is the case - else all those companies will go pop in no time.

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Jobbo said:

Welshbeef said:

I keep asking where and how legally can I get to watch all sky sports sky movies sky Atlantic Fox and all BBC channels for free? As I want to post it up on Martin Lewis money saving expert I think it's a superb idea that we as PH could support and publish where and how to do it (as it is totally legal to do so). We could save the hard working poor and everyone else in the country a small fortune.


If there isn't a response I guess we can accept that clearly it isn't legal which I'm highly confident is the case - else all those companies will go pop in no time.

Do you actually watch all those things? How do you have time to go to work?

So not answering the question.

How do you do it legally so we can share to the Martin Lewis forum ?

Or is it not really legal and people are getting away with it?

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Jobbo said:

I didn't make the suggestion, but is that the package you pay £97 a month for?

It's what anyone with the whole sky package incl sky go pays that is standard price.


Just a land line and fibre is best part of £40 alone!

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dudleybloke said:

Maybe if the BBC made more shows that are good enough to be sold worldwide and stopped bidding on sports tournaments trying to compete with commercial channels they could reduce the TV tax to a reasonable level.

It's not ever going down accept that.

I'd say without question the BBC are superb at
Olympics
Wimbledon
6 Nations - don't like the way ITV ruin coverage with advert breaks
Diamond League
Commonwealth games
London Marathon
New York Marathon
Great north run
British Open
World Cup football or Euros etc.

F1 is gone
Rallying is gone


Good shows you say?
Wolf Hall
Planet Earth
Frozen planet
The office
Top Gear
The Royal Family
London Spy
River
Doctor Foster
Missing
Peaky Blinders
Line of Duty
War and Peace
Abused - the untold story
The night manager
The people v OJ Simpson
The hollow crown Henry Vi Part2
The Tudors


Etc etc.
That's a very wide spread of superb TV so many genres and targeted demographics.

What do you watch?

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technodup said:

There's no point listing a load of shows. The best sport is on Sky. The best drama comes from the US. Comedy likewise, especially these days. News you can get from any angle you like.

Point is all these things are catered for elsewhere, in more quantity and quality. The BBC tries to be all things to all men, from babies to grandads and it just isn't very good at it.

And whilst it's being not very good it completely stifles smaller guys from having a go.

There is no point in totally ignoring that those are award winning shows

The best drama most certainly doesn't come from the US I'd actually say it's the Nordics as I like my crime thrillers to be dark multilayered complex. Then again you enjoy American Dad to your hearts content

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Robbins said:

The loss/cancellation by the BBC of Topgear, Formula 1, BBC3 channel amongst others proves the BBC no longer relates to me in the content it provides. Add to that added funding raised from Product Placement and the £multi-million salaries of a lot of their 'key talent' makes me increasingly resentful of paying my licence

You do know the commercial stations pay a lot more for the top talent don't you?


Please clarify what you watch on TV? F1 is a pay service do you pay it or somehow get it free "streaming"

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chris watton said:

Welshbeef said:

There is no point in totally ignoring that those are award winning shows

The best drama most certainly doesn't come from the US I'd actually say it's the Nordics as I like my crime thrillers to be dark multilayered complex. Then again you enjoy American Dad to your hearts content

What you say is very sunjective, surely? What may seem great to you may not seem so great to someone else. Usually, you pay your money and make your choice.

But with the exception of a handful of countries globally they all have a "tv licence".


We all pay the 3G and 4G licence directly to our suppliers but we don't notice it if BBC stopped guess what Mr Govt would do? Sell rights to Internet and cable and sky and ariel tv, to think otherwise when we're in a big deficit is a bit naive.

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technodup said:

Welshbeef said:

The best drama most certainly doesn't come from the US I'd actually say it's the Nordics as I like my crime thrillers to be dark multilayered complex. Then again you enjoy American Dad to your hearts content

I suspect most of the world will disagree with you there. Have a nosey on IMDB and tell me Breaking Bad, The West Wing, The Wire, The Shield, OITNB, Game of Thrones, Suits etc etc don't feature above your special interest foreign language muck.

I really suspect your wrong.

A billion people in India
1.4billion in China

To name but two - what's that 40%+ of the global population don't watch US TV.

Now add in the BRIC countries and then I'll let you lob in Africa too. Also I'd wager the shows which I enjoy from the US wouldn't go down well in any Middle East country

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VolvoT5 said:

Long term I don't see how the licence fee model of funding the BBC is going to be viable. How can they enforce this anyway, it is already possible to stream pay per view TV like sky sports free.

I've asked lots of times on here about this legal ability to stream pay TV for free - no one has given instructions on how his is done. We want to share this info to Martin Lewis Money saving expert to save many people lots of money legally.
Why will noone here - who have already stated they do stream and watch all the stuff I watch & pay for - post up about how you do it.

I don't know how you can get to see a film before its gone on DVD /blue ray release - for free. Simply how is that possible? Surely if everyone did that no one would make any films ? Is that the reason there is no one confirming how it's done - or is there a nudge nudge wink wink rolled up trouser leg initiation/ or there is no fight club there is no fight club you will not talk about fight club?

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ashleyman said:

Why would those that utilise the streams want them shared on Martin Lewis' website? They have nothing to gain from helping you and will probably miss out because of extreme demand on the already restricted resources available to the streaming community.

Secondly, read this. https://www.engadget.com/2016/02/14/kodi-takes-the...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/bills-and-utilities/tv/could-you-be-fined-for-illegally-streaming-movies-or-tv-shows/

So no it's not legal.

All of you lol saying you pay that much what a fool you can get it for free... Um maybe you can but its not legal to do so. If your happy with that so be it but don't convince yourself its something it's not.
Illegal
Supporting criminals

No wonder no one would share how they get to see it all for free / share the wealth so to speak as its a dirty secret they have and they don't want a good thing they have to be bounded round the Internet which could land them in difficulties (possible impact to employment).

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technodup said:

id anyone say it was?

I think even the village idiot realises that getting something free which usually has to be paid for isn't strictly kosher. Whether they care or not is another matter.

It's a bit like 'home taping is killing music'. It clearly wasn't.

Some people are always going to cheat. The authorities and providers are always going to try to prevent them. But the internet makes it virtually impossible.

No but others on this thread are mocking that people pay and actively suggesting you can get it free instead / offer&acceptance / encouraging what now is clearly illegal.

to say to me you can watch sky sports and even sky box office sports for free online is simply not on.


What annoys me personally is I pay full whack and no issue with that never have (though I'll be downgrading soon as I'm not getting the value out of it) but when overseas say I want to watch a game in our room or round the pool something that location will not be showing anywhere hard luck you cannot. Ditto the box sets or whatever. Sure I love reading books and long meals but with kids it does mean 8am on the balcony with wine/beer so would be nice to have the option to view stuff which I've paid for.
Once I have used a link someone emailed me as I was desperate to watch the Wales 6N game - I managed to see a bitty in and out of connection game. That's not right that someone who pays didn't get that. If the country your going to needs £ for certain rights fine no problem have it as an optional bolt on / why not they have sky everywhere.

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eldar said:

The internet makes it easy! Scrap the licence fee and tax the internet. Job done.

I'm all for that - and actually do it like 3G and 4G licences as in charge the providers who then charge consumers in their pricing

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Pesty said:

Or scrap the bbc tax and make it subscription like Amazon. they make such great programmes apparently that everybody will sign up don't see why it's a problem.

They are tasked to create a wide range of shows for the whole UK demographic some commercially would be unviable but are needed none the less.

Think less of me me me and my illegal streaming of pay per view and bigger picture. British culture British history not the trash you get on say Ch5 Big brother all year round, or Ch4 Naked attraction or God knows how many shows about location location or get rich quick schemes. No show me some sheep and dogs I'll be happy with my Velcro