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Can't see this anywhere else but if it is I apologise.
Katrina Percy has resigned from her post as CEO of Southern Health trust after several years of proving nothing but her inadequacy for the role.
She has been paid over £180,000 a year and will continue to be paid that in her new 'role' as an advisor.
Don't anyone ever tell me again that the NHS needs more funding or that higher taxes in general are justified. Not while this disgraceful waste continues.
Katrina Percy has resigned from her post as CEO of Southern Health trust after several years of proving nothing but her inadequacy for the role.
She has been paid over £180,000 a year and will continue to be paid that in her new 'role' as an advisor.
Don't anyone ever tell me again that the NHS needs more funding or that higher taxes in general are justified. Not while this disgraceful waste continues.
Digga said:
It would be funny, if it were not so endemic, prolific and paid for out of the public pocket. It does appear to me, anecdotally, that this is an issue which ranks extremely high in the minds of the public - we all know the NHS is struggling, but then we can all list umpteen accounts of inefficiency, profligacy and bad management relating to the organisation. Like the issue of immigration before it, this is going to begin to be a major topic. Political parties who dodge or fudge be warned.
Totally agree and that one tale is one of 100's that defy belief and logic, my current urine boiler is a chap was caught filling his car boot with boxes of washing powder and big tins of coffee, literally caught red handed, instead of being sacked he was on the sick for "stress" for 5 months, 4 days and was given 3 months of counselling for his issues.The other is the woman who was in charge of the refit for a new unit, part of the order was for 200 Herman Miller Aeron chairs and desks, ignoring the fact they wanted pricy office furniture in the first place, my wife enquired what discount she had got for that order - the answer was full list price x 200, but I got free delivery!.
I am getting sick of the NHS being a political football, where the only solution is to throw more money at the NHS.
FredClogs said:
Strange the way this thread will go vs the other threads bemoaning high boardroom pay and excessive bonus culture for failure or marginal success in private enterprises.
Come the revolution and the seeding of the robot overlords AI money will become worthless anyway. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Come the revolution and the seeding of the robot overlords AI money will become worthless anyway. Enjoy it while it lasts.
The thing is, Fred, that if Katrina f
kwit Percy had been in a private enterprise she would have been fired many years ago as soon as her incompetence became clear. She certainly wouldn't have been shuffled sideways on full pay. You know that; we all know that.
And we can all exercise choice dealing with private enterprise. Not so with our public sector.
Please don't try to spin this into another envy driven rant.
crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
I wouldn't bank on that, the trust where my wife is renowned for being unable to get rid of anyone. The Hr dept are beyond inept, what they are good at is lining consultancy firms pockets which usually follows this cycle.1. There is an issue, we don't have the skills in-house to deal with.
2. Get in one of the big 4 to provide consultancy on how to handle issue.
3. 5 years later consultancy firm come back and says everything we advised was wrong and you need to go back to doing what you did in the first place, and as a consultancy firm we can help you do that.
Result= sod all being achieved other than a significant dent in the budgets and a happy partner at a consultancy firm.
crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
Actually you may be right, but what a sad state the NHS's admin in general must be for that to be even remotely possible.There's a fully documented history of inadequate performance, widely reported, not to mention suspicious activity, concerning this woman. Any HR manager worth even half his salt could have had her out years ago.
Are you saying that the NHS's HR system is also staffed by inadequates?
Otispunkmeyer said:
Was reading about this earlier. st at one job on 240k a year and moved on.... or moved sideways into another 240k job that they created just for her and didn't advertise internally or externally. Disgusting really. She and her pals must have some serious brass on their necks or she's got some ludicrously bad dirt on someone.
The trusts Chairman Tim Smart (base salary £227500) was interviewed by the BBC. Made every effort to avoid sheer get the questions honestly and needed to be pinned down to confirm what you say:t at one job on 240k a year and moved on.... or moved sideways into another 240k job that they created just for her and didn't advertise internally or externally. Disgusting really. She and her pals must have some serious brass on their necks or she's got some ludicrously bad dirt on someone.The job was created for this situation; it didn't exist before.
It wasn't advertised either internally or externally.
Only Percy was interviewed for the 'role'.
Smart didn't come across as being aptly named but he did come across as supremely arrogant and unhappy that anyone should question what he's up to. Video is on BBC website.
I agree with what the mother of one of the victims said on this; it's totally outrageous.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 7th September 13:54
crankedup said:
REALIST123 said:
crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
Actually you may be right, but what a sad state the NHS's admin in general must be for that to be even remotely possible.There's a fully documented history of inadequate performance, widely reported, not to mention suspicious activity, concerning this woman. Any HR manager worth even half his salt could have had her out years ago.
Are you saying that the NHS's HR system is also staffed by inadequates?
The BBC has just confirmed that you were right. The job was created because they were afraid she'd take them to a tribunal and they'd lose because they couldn't show that the failures are down to her personally.
Which confirms that I too was correct. The NHS's HR system is clearly staffed by inadequates. Who are probably highly paid for doing very little, as well.
It really is time that these people were held to account for what s a national disgrace.
Not interested about the lady in question. But those who dreamt up a 240k a year job & gave it to someone, with no competitor for the role, should be fired.
Public trust in the NHS is eroded by such waste, should take £350m a week off them rather than give more for the NHS to squander ..
Public trust in the NHS is eroded by such waste, should take £350m a week off them rather than give more for the NHS to squander ..
Today Chris Hopson, CE of NHS Providers, as far as I can tell, says 7 day care isn't possible and that the NHS needs more money.
Hopson left his £150K plus job at HMRC for this role so, although he is reluctant to say what his a salary is, we can assume it's up there with Percy and the like. It's funded by NHS Providers members, i.e areas of the NHS or, indirectly, the taxpayer.
All NHSP appears to do is comment on situations within the NHS; all Hopson is currently doing is calling for 'debate'. Along with more money, of course.
My contribution to the debate is a proposal for him to resign and immediately help the finances. If he can take a few thousand of his similarly wasteful colleagues with him, maybe we'll find there is enough money for 7 day care.
Hopson left his £150K plus job at HMRC for this role so, although he is reluctant to say what his a salary is, we can assume it's up there with Percy and the like. It's funded by NHS Providers members, i.e areas of the NHS or, indirectly, the taxpayer.
All NHSP appears to do is comment on situations within the NHS; all Hopson is currently doing is calling for 'debate'. Along with more money, of course.
My contribution to the debate is a proposal for him to resign and immediately help the finances. If he can take a few thousand of his similarly wasteful colleagues with him, maybe we'll find there is enough money for 7 day care.
spaximus said:
The reality with NHS funding is that many trusts have been running near deficits for years but due to the wonderful way the NHS is made to report the finance situation it has always looked better than it was. The way Tesco manipulated the figures shows how easy it is to pull accruals and spending from one month to another.
What is happening now is that due to the unrealistic expectations that Hunt has said can be done with no new money, even after the Kings fund think tank, all the royal colleges and even his own department said it cannot, the chairman's of Trusts are now telling it as it. Hence today it was reported that 80% of the trusts will finish with a deficit this year.
Waiting times are up in every department, every target almost, is being missed and yet the NHS did 4000 more operations with no more money.
Yes there is waste, yes there are business managers who are overpaid, but when people say that they ignore what a huge task running a hospital is. Nothing is fixed, you don't know one day to the next what will come through the door, hence schedules in acute hospitals are more hope than promise. But if you really want to see waste on a biblical scale look at the armed forces, they can outshine anything the NHS can do and yet is a strikingly similar fashion, let down soldiers with poor equipment and logistics and when money was tightened they simply cut the number of staff and made them do more for the same, or recruited cheaper new soldiers.
The plan though is to cut the wage bill in the NHS, by that we mean Dr's and nurses and ancillary staff, who are not all paid mega money, by managers who are.
My Daughter is working one weekend on one off in A&E 10 hour shifts, 12 if it is a night shift. In that time she gets 1 1/2 hour break that is it. Under the new contract she will get two 1/2 hour breaks but no mention of who will cover the extra half an hour she is not there.
but back to the main point, if Hunt sacked this woman he would go up in my estimation, but they will not as she has probably done what she was told to do in cost cutting regardless of the risk. Now it has come home to roost, she will have emails that clear her hence this is all a cover up job and she will get paid off one way or another, as let's be frank who would touch her now so her career is finished?
More money won't help. As you've clearly confirmed the whole management of the NHS is FUBAR. Cut the cost of these fWhat is happening now is that due to the unrealistic expectations that Hunt has said can be done with no new money, even after the Kings fund think tank, all the royal colleges and even his own department said it cannot, the chairman's of Trusts are now telling it as it. Hence today it was reported that 80% of the trusts will finish with a deficit this year.
Waiting times are up in every department, every target almost, is being missed and yet the NHS did 4000 more operations with no more money.
Yes there is waste, yes there are business managers who are overpaid, but when people say that they ignore what a huge task running a hospital is. Nothing is fixed, you don't know one day to the next what will come through the door, hence schedules in acute hospitals are more hope than promise. But if you really want to see waste on a biblical scale look at the armed forces, they can outshine anything the NHS can do and yet is a strikingly similar fashion, let down soldiers with poor equipment and logistics and when money was tightened they simply cut the number of staff and made them do more for the same, or recruited cheaper new soldiers.
The plan though is to cut the wage bill in the NHS, by that we mean Dr's and nurses and ancillary staff, who are not all paid mega money, by managers who are.
My Daughter is working one weekend on one off in A&E 10 hour shifts, 12 if it is a night shift. In that time she gets 1 1/2 hour break that is it. Under the new contract she will get two 1/2 hour breaks but no mention of who will cover the extra half an hour she is not there.
but back to the main point, if Hunt sacked this woman he would go up in my estimation, but they will not as she has probably done what she was told to do in cost cutting regardless of the risk. Now it has come home to roost, she will have emails that clear her hence this is all a cover up job and she will get paid off one way or another, as let's be frank who would touch her now so her career is finished?
kwits who are responsible. Things couldn't be any worse. IMO it's naive to think that pouring in more money won't just result in more waste.
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