How NOT to win friends and influence people on PH

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jeff666 said:

As a Bodywork Man,

That gap around the boot is awful, please say the boot is open ?

Funny thing is, it was. The local car wash must have opened it without me realising.

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phillpot said:

So Brexit means we need 3000 less bureaucrats and pen pushers?

There's a saving already.

Quite apart from the personal cost to those involved, we are about to lose the economies of scale, since we will be 'taking back control' of all the functions whose costs were shared between 28 countries. So if you think we are about to save money, I suggest you are somewhat mistaken.

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crypto said:

There are only 12 countries paying more in than they receive.

True, but totally unrelated to the point I was making regarding administration and back office costs.

If you think that back office functions are irrelevant, try getting paid when your employer forgets that they actually do matter.

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Flatdash said:

Stuff

Farage said:

In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.

Quoting Farage to bolster my argument is almost tantamount to admitting defeat, but whatever...

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Mr Cerbera said:

Bak to OP. Is that Rosso Pearl ??

Yup - Rosso Pearl



I know the argument is lost already but 'The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing'

I'm not comparing my pathetic sloganeering to the acts of true heroes, but it doesn't hurt to make yourself heard.

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jeff666 said:

As a Bodywork Man,

That gap around the boot is awful, please say the boot is open ?

Hope the new pic has put your mind to rest.

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TwinKam said:

Never a good idea to discuss sex, politics or religion on a forum, but you started it
Consider that there are those (amongst the probable racists, xenophobes and of course the 'economically illiterate' ) who saw the corruption, waste, and general undemocratic, unaccountable farce of the EU as 'evil' and decided, as 'good men', to do something, and so voted to leave.
Just sayin'.

If you think the appropriate response is to threaten 3 million EU citizens (some of whom are my friends, neighbours, and colleagues) with deportation then I reckon you are mistaken - that is truly evil.

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TwinKam said:

Gosh, is that really going to happen? When? How? By whom? To where? In what?
(think you need to calm down a bit and question what you hear on the BBC/read in the Garunidan)

Threats to Rape and Murder are made my internet trolls daily, but I doubt they are ever likely to be enacted. Do you think the recipients of those threats are unaffected? Do you think that makes those threats acceptable?

Also, just because a threat is implicit, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And here is the story about 'Prepare to Leave' letters being issued by the Home Office, not from the Guardian, or the BBC - this is that progressive newspaper 'The Daily Mail'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4071770/Du...

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ukkid35 said:

jeff666 said:

As a Bodywork Man,

That gap around the boot is awful, please say the boot is open ?

Funny thing is, it was. The local car wash must have opened it without me realising.

Apparently panel fit isn't that important - they want £1.2M for this

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Pesty said:

Good men did. We voted against an un democratic corupt nightmare.

You voted for your MEP, what was undemocratic about that?

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NoNeed said:

Who decides on what the MEP votes on and are they elected

The Commission, comprising commissioners who are appointed by our democratically elected governments.

In the UK we don't vote for appointees to roles in the UK parliament, we merely vote for MPs, they are then appointed to roles within the government. Hence we didn't vote for Prime Minister Major, or Brown, or May, they were appointed to those roles by their political parties.

Edited by ukkid35 on Thursday 9th March 08:03

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NRS said:

And yet you want Scottish independence which is doing the opposite...?

Obviously there will be efficiency due to the scale of the EU, but at the same time big also means more inefficiencies in terms of processes, and also that often there is more compromise for everyone involved.

That seems entirely possible to me. But since a significant proportion of EU legislation is about standards (pollution, safety, equality etc) the compromise is probably made by those who have to raise standards as a result.

As for Scotland, I guess that depends on whether you value self determination and democracy. Personally I think independence would a mistake economically, but I can definitely see the argument politically and culturally. They really are between a rock and a hard place.

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Hosenbugler said:

We, the electorate can sack our politicians, including PM's, we cannot sack EU commisioners.

I didn't realise that, I thought we had to wait until their term of office expired.

Remind who the electorate has sacked, and how we did that.

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fblm said:

You're right but Juncker was appointed despite the objection of our appointed prime minister and elected government.

I guess it depends whether you think it is more important to be able to exercise a veto, or for decisions to be made by QMV i.e. weighted by population.

Unlike the election of Juncker, the Brexit deal will be subject to a veto by any of the 27. So is that more or less fair than QVM?