Send the buggers back
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Strocky said:
How do you prove or disprove that someone is gay as part of an asylum claim? if people know they wont be sent back if they claim they are gay they will all claim they are gay. The issue with Afghan asylum seekers in the UK is that they will have passed through numerous countries classified as safe and signatories to the UN convention. This alone is enough to weaken their claim. craigjm said:
Strocky said:
How do you prove or disprove that someone is gay as part of an asylum claim? if people know they wont be sent back if they claim they are gay they will all claim they are gay. The issue with Afghan asylum seekers in the UK is that they will have passed through numerous countries classified as safe and signatories to the UN convention. This alone is enough to weaken their claim. The reality is that the vast majority have stayed in local countries, and only a relatively small number make the expensive, perilous journey to the UK.
(Begrudgingly Wikipedia referenced
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_diaspora)
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/02/syr...
Evanivitch said:
craigjm said:
Strocky said:
How do you prove or disprove that someone is gay as part of an asylum claim? if people know they wont be sent back if they claim they are gay they will all claim they are gay. The issue with Afghan asylum seekers in the UK is that they will have passed through numerous countries classified as safe and signatories to the UN convention. This alone is enough to weaken their claim. The reality is that the vast majority have stayed in local countries, and only a relatively small number make the expensive, perilous journey to the UK.
(Begrudgingly Wikipedia referenced
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_diaspora)
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/02/syr...
Evanivitch said:
jas xjr said:
just asking , would not india be an easier place to get to. i would imagine it would be fairly safe . no benefits though. plenty of work if you want it
Because impoverished in the UK is still significantly better than impoverished in India.There has been petition after petition about this lady. It appears on the surface, shameful.
I only found a bit more out after signing an initial petition some time ago.
Always more than meets the eye.
One petition starts 'After almost 30 years in the UK Irene is told ...(basically to f off!)'
That is not true for starters, of those 30 years she spent at least 10 years back in Singapore - 6 from 1992 to 1998 to look after her mum, then 4 from 2008 to 2012 after returning to look after her dad. And more time there apparently. Who knows?
However, bottom line is I'd prefer some of the scum that currently should be flung out would be preferable to her.
Be interesting to see where this goes.
I only found a bit more out after signing an initial petition some time ago.
Always more than meets the eye.
One petition starts 'After almost 30 years in the UK Irene is told ...(basically to f off!)'
That is not true for starters, of those 30 years she spent at least 10 years back in Singapore - 6 from 1992 to 1998 to look after her mum, then 4 from 2008 to 2012 after returning to look after her dad. And more time there apparently. Who knows?
However, bottom line is I'd prefer some of the scum that currently should be flung out would be preferable to her.
Be interesting to see where this goes.
Is that the full story - she looked after her mum for x year and her dad for y, and now she can't come back because that was too long.
Have the rules evolved during the time she was abroad?
I can't understand why we are deporting people that are & have been married to Brits for years. This is hardly a green card type scam, is it?
What a compassionate place the UK has become.
Have the rules evolved during the time she was abroad?
I can't understand why we are deporting people that are & have been married to Brits for years. This is hardly a green card type scam, is it?
What a compassionate place the UK has become.
But they are cracking down on illegal immigration like we wanted them to do !!! or tinfoil hat on we will show you proles for moaning about our backers cheap labour force ... Now see what you have done .....
its fking st ,people who have made lives here and not caused trouble , But criminal scum claim Human rights and are mollycoddled by the welfare state ...
its fking st ,people who have made lives here and not caused trouble , But criminal scum claim Human rights and are mollycoddled by the welfare state ...
craigjm said:
Evanivitch said:
jas xjr said:
just asking , would not india be an easier place to get to. i would imagine it would be fairly safe . no benefits though. plenty of work if you want it
Because impoverished in the UK is still significantly better than impoverished in India.Just because you're leaving a war torn country doesn't mean you've come from poverty. And living in a slum with disease and, again, no future isn't exactly a safe place.
I appreciate there are economic migrants that pass themselves as refugees. But I don't believe for a moment they are a majority.
This seems a bit harsh too.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc...
On for a first in engineering, only 3 months of the degree left to do.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc...
On for a first in engineering, only 3 months of the degree left to do.
Evanivitch said:
craigjm said:
Evanivitch said:
jas xjr said:
just asking , would not india be an easier place to get to. i would imagine it would be fairly safe . no benefits though. plenty of work if you want it
Because impoverished in the UK is still significantly better than impoverished in India.Just because you're leaving a war torn country doesn't mean you've come from poverty. And living in a slum with disease and, again, no future isn't exactly a safe place.
I appreciate there are economic migrants that pass themselves as refugees. But I don't believe for a moment they are a majority.
The nearest signatories to Afghanistan for instance are Iran, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan. Interestingly India and Pakistan are not signatories. The UK is quite within its rights therefore to determine that ANY refugee applicant from Afghanistan has crossed through or over these territories and may return them to any of them.
The principle behind the safe country concept is that if you are fleeing persecution you leave to the nearest safe place. As soon as you make a decision such as "being impoverished in the UK would be better than India" you cease to be a potential refugee under international law and become an economic migrant.
///ajd said:
This seems a bit harsh too.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc...
On for a first in engineering, only 3 months of the degree left to do.
But her visa to study in the UK expired when she was 18 so she has been an overstayer for the past three years. The university is at fault here as they have not checked her leave to remain properly.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc...
On for a first in engineering, only 3 months of the degree left to do.
craigjm said:
///ajd said:
This seems a bit harsh too.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc...
On for a first in engineering, only 3 months of the degree left to do.
But her visa to study in the UK expired when she was 18 so she has been an overstayer for the past three years. The university is at fault here as they have not checked her leave to remain properly.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc...
On for a first in engineering, only 3 months of the degree left to do.
Sending someone who has only known the UK since they were 12 to a civil war torn country seems harsh, let alone after they've done 80% of a degree - whats more the UK economy can always benefit from engineers with a first. It appears her father died adding to the dilemma - if he could stay though, why not his kids?
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