London should become a city state if there's a hard Brexit

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Why not? With the ultras hoping to run amok maybe London should just be done with the whole thing*

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-sho...

• I actually suspect that London is so deeply international already that it will continue to thrive despite the inevitable obstacles being lobbed at it from elsewhere.

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Murph7355 said:

I read the whole article expecting a punch line. I still can't work out if Lammy was actually having a pop at Sturgeon and telling her to STFU or if he's serious.

If the latter, he is utterly mental. More so than Sturgeon which I doubted possible. And there's me thinking it was meant to Brexiteers/Ultras/Leave voters that were meant to be the divisive ones...

I only posted this as a wind up. There is a crude form of logic in there in that "If Sturgeon can do that, why can't London can do this?".

The logical falls down of course in that Sturgeon can't actually do anything whip her supporters whipped up into righteous indignation.

But it is interesting to see the series of viewpoints being expressed down here by people who are obviously sick of the lack of proper debate in parliament.

Even though this one is clearly one sandwich short of the full picnic.

Brexit still feels like something being done to London, not chosen and Davis's pathethic inability to put forward a plan for hard Brexit last week is deeply concerning.

Oh well, it will happen and hopefully we'll come through the other side relatively unscathed.

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Deptford Draylons said:

Its all sounding a bit Passport To Pimlico now.

Best post so far :-)

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nyxster said:

i think what you'd actually get would be a city state like dubai

Bugger. I preferred the Passport to Pimlico version. More Austin Healy, less diesel Evoque convertible.

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danllama said:

Spare a thought for us in London who voted leave. Its made dating a nightmare.

Good luck with that down here.

I have looked hard in the 8 months since the vote (not in a dating sense) and have have found only a handful of Brexiteers (who argued their case well) and a similar number of neutrals (again with considered positions)

One my neighbours (who hadn't really thought the whole thing through) briefly admitted to having voted leave before she decided it was easier all round if she just avoided the topic entirely.

I imagine a lot of your potential dates will see you as the equivalent of someone who drowns puppies in sacks. Or at least some sort of Nigel Farage/Nick Griffin hybrid. Which is still not good. The very best you can hope for is that they see you as some sort of Boris Johnson figure but as most of London wanted to lynch him in the week after the vote I'd suggest you always know where the exit is just in case.

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danllama said:

WCZ said:

danllama said:

We have to accept that our views are hugely unpopular with the idiotic remain army. Its made dating a nightmare. They can't handle it when you destroy the EU with logic and facts.

very cringe

What's cringe about that? It's a genuine issue.

That and the fact that many dates here will also assume you're some sort of closet racist.

Nick Griffiths hasn't helped and neither did Farage with his (in)famous immigrant poster.

Anyway, good luck. If you can navigate through that lot you'll be home and dry.

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SystemParanoia said:

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danllama said:

WCZ said:

danllama said:

We have to accept that our views are hugely unpopular with the idiotic remain army. Its made dating a nightmare. They can't handle it when you destroy the EU with logic and facts.

very cringe

What's cringe about that? It's a genuine issue.

That and the fact that many dates here will also assume you're some sort of closet racist.

Nick Griffiths hasn't helped and neither did Farage with his (in)famous immigrant poster.

Anyway, good luck. If you can navigate through that lot you'll be home and dry.

hopefully not completely dry

Home and hosed?

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ChemicalChaos said:

Try being on Tinder at a pretty left wing university

LOL

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Murph7355 said:

LasseV said:

Why not? There are several succesful micro-states in Europe. Like San Marino in middle of Italy etc. I don't know, but it seems that your island is not that stable anymore after that brexit vote.

You're hearing a very vocal minority in both the Scottish and Brexit cases. Especially so in the Scottish one. I wouldn't say we're any less "stable" - people are yet to take to the streets and burn the place down. "Divided", yes. But on such big issues that's inevitable. We've been there before. We'll get through it.

(As an aside, I think this division is feeling significantly worse at present as we left it so long to have a wider debate on our membership of the EU. The politicians should have committed to a debate and vote at each major treaty change/fundammental shift (e.g. ditching the currency) IMO. It would/should have been much easier to define the pros and cons if done in smaller steps).

None of the current "successful micro states" were ever the recognised capitals of the nations they are geographically part of as far as I'm aware. The historical contexts of all of them are therefore quite different. Scotland has history as a separate nation and so the case there is different - though equally weak (perhaps more so!).

Yes, yes. But I agree with the last caller - let's sack off Wycombe anyway, whether or not Scotland goes all Mel Gibson and London does a Dubai.