Martin Mcguinnes dead
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Former NI deputy first minister Martin McGuinness dies aged 66 - Sky News
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Oh dear how sad
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Oh dear how sad
. He was a piece of sEmanresu said:
A lot of the English posters on this thread will simply never understand because they have never had to live through or experience NI in the older days. Their only experience is through media propaganda which discourages free thinking and that teaches them that anything republican or nationalist is bad.
The IRA didn't just reserve their bombs (or even threats) to NI. I was evacuated from school many times, my little Essex town had a car bomb laid by them, taking a soldiers legs. Media propaganda? No smoke without fire. Cowardly terrorists and cowardly supporters. Why the balaclavas, otherwise?
Funnily enough the only place where I have seen this mentioned today is on the news, not mentioned by anyone at work, been completely ignored.
The bbc and others have gone OTT.
Chanel 4 news, Alastair Campbell got a strip torn off him big time by a relative of a victim of the ira.
The bbc and others have gone OTT.
Chanel 4 news, Alastair Campbell got a strip torn off him big time by a relative of a victim of the ira.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 21st March 19:29
gottans said:
Funnily enough the only place where I have seen this mentioned today is on the news, not mentioned by anyone at work, been completely ignored.
The bbc and others have gone OTT.
Chanel 4 news, Alastair Campbell got a strip torn off him big time by a relative of a victim of the ira.
I feel a little sorry for Headscarf Hannah the presenter. She always seem to pop up when the news has got some terrorist angleThe bbc and others have gone OTT.
Chanel 4 news, Alastair Campbell got a strip torn off him big time by a relative of a victim of the ira.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 21st March 19:29
bloomen said:
I am pleased he is dead. I wish he had died sooner but had suffered more and had actually paid for his crimes.
I would feel exactly the same about a loyalist and indeed Tony Blair.
If you have a point to make, start off in politics. If you want to be a terrorist, go around cutting undersea internet cables rather than harming people who have absolutely nothing to do with anything.
Yes, large scale disobedience (not of the murdery type) and sabotage of transport and infrastructure systems could have caused massive disruption to the British. Actual real disruption that cost money to fix and caused financial losses, but not the murder of innocent civilians who had no involvement in the struggle, the war, whatever you want to call it. I would feel exactly the same about a loyalist and indeed Tony Blair.
If you have a point to make, start off in politics. If you want to be a terrorist, go around cutting undersea internet cables rather than harming people who have absolutely nothing to do with anything.
Edited by bloomen on Tuesday 21st March 20:04
One man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist, blah, blah, I wouldn't say that murdering civilians could be considered freedom fighting though.
Stickyfinger said:
BigLion said:
The english are a funny breed - they see anyone who goes counter to them as a terrorist - the english are the biggest terrorists of them all from a historical perspective!!!
What you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
Please, let me apologise for the peoples of the United KingdomWhat you need to get through your heads is most people don't want you interfering with them or their country, or be under colonial rule - be it the Irish, the Indians or whoever. When people have displayed resentment / non-cooperation the english then clamp down with an iron fist and commit wide scale human right abuses...whilst bemoaning the fact people are fighting back.
Just because the english has now decided diplomacy is required, everyone else is supposed to play suit - GTFO. The english have a filthy and disgusting colonial history.
For people saying move on etc. why don't you say that to the people of Liverpool in relation to Hillsborough where only a tiny 96 people died ? There we are all asked to hold our hands in desperation for truth and justice - yet my family probably know personally more than that number murdered because of the english involvement in indian politics.
Understand history and try to think how you would feel if someone smashed your front door in, raped your family and then told you how to behave in your own house - would you see yourself as a terrorist or a freedom fighter?
Sorry for the rant, but my god open your eyes - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!
IF someone is to apologise it shall be LILY ALLEN
Now apologise
kitz said:
Derek Smith said:
There's little doubt that he was involved, closely involved, in a number of murders. The Mountbatten bombing, which, don't forget took three by-standers as well, no doubt justified as collateral damage, was particularly repugnant as it was for nothing more than publicity.
McGuinnes was forced to the negotiating table; he was not the architect of the GFA. It is a tribute to the government that they went for an agreement, it is even more so that they got it through and have continued to honour it, not that there's any sensible option.
He was involved in murders of innocent people, of that there can be little doubt. He was in charge and he revelled in it. Many people died for his political ambition.
No one on TV or elsewhere will mention a hero of mine, Kenneth Howorth. He was a positive for McGuinnes and a loss to the country. Just what we didn't need, fewer people willing to risk their lives for what turned out to be the GFA.
I've always felt that if a person I particularly dislike dies, it is pointless criticising them because I've won as such. I've outlived them. McGuinnes is different though. I've watched Sky News tell everyone that the changed his spots. That he was brave in going for the GFA and that it was in some way a brilliant move to shake hands with the Queen. To me it confirmed me a a royalist.
He lived as a murderer, and had things not gone his way, he would have continued to do so. A conditional rejection of murder is not a change of spots.
Good riddance.
Well Mr Smith it's no surprise your a Royalist after all you swore an oath to the Queen .McGuinnes was forced to the negotiating table; he was not the architect of the GFA. It is a tribute to the government that they went for an agreement, it is even more so that they got it through and have continued to honour it, not that there's any sensible option.
He was involved in murders of innocent people, of that there can be little doubt. He was in charge and he revelled in it. Many people died for his political ambition.
No one on TV or elsewhere will mention a hero of mine, Kenneth Howorth. He was a positive for McGuinnes and a loss to the country. Just what we didn't need, fewer people willing to risk their lives for what turned out to be the GFA.
I've always felt that if a person I particularly dislike dies, it is pointless criticising them because I've won as such. I've outlived them. McGuinnes is different though. I've watched Sky News tell everyone that the changed his spots. That he was brave in going for the GFA and that it was in some way a brilliant move to shake hands with the Queen. To me it confirmed me a a royalist.
He lived as a murderer, and had things not gone his way, he would have continued to do so. A conditional rejection of murder is not a change of spots.
Good riddance.
You have also proudly stated your family's terrible losses in fighting fascists .
I wonder if you have considered that those losses were in part because of the abject poverty in Ireland at the time
It was sign up or starve for many .
If you were 18 in the bogside in the late 1960s would you have fought for civil rights .. and if so how ...
As an aside Tony Blair v McGuinnes ... who is responsible for the most innocent deaths ..
As another aside Tony's 4 children are Irish citizens ....
Just random thoughts ......
BigLion said:
He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
Gandhi letter to Hitler opened with "Dear Friend Hitler" and then you had the condolence letter sent by the Irish leader De Valera to Germany on hearing of Hitler's death, a pair of treacherous scumbags. Certain prominent members of Irish establishment over the years have sunk to the lowest level to further their cause.
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