Women in Afghanistan abandoned

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I read this morning that the Taliban are bringing back public flogging and stoning for women, the latter for adultery.

The women in Afghanistan seem to have been abandoned by the Western community. Could or should we be doing something to help them?

How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

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BikeBikeBIke said:

grumbledoak said:

Skeptisk said:

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How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

And now "we" are on to Ukraine.

Yeah, becaise "we" are definitely responsible for what Russia is doing in Ukraine. FFS.

The West is responsible for its response to the war in Ukraine.

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Rufus Stone said:

Skeptisk said:

I read this morning that the Taliban are bringing back public flogging and stoning for women, the latter for adultery.

The women in Afghanistan seem to have been abandoned by the Western community. Could or should we be doing something to help them?

How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

Is it for just women though? Islam has the same punishment for both men and women I believe.

So you think it gets applied equally and fairly?

Isn’t a man’s testimony under Sharia worth twice a woman’s testimony?

Under the previous Taliban regime weren’t they accused of stoning women who had been raped, because they were treated as adulterers?

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BikeBikeBIke said:

Skeptisk said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

grumbledoak said:

Skeptisk said:

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How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

And now "we" are on to Ukraine.

Yeah, becaise "we" are definitely responsible for what Russia is doing in Ukraine. FFS.

The West is responsible for its response to the war in Ukraine.

Well we're clearly not doing anywhere near enough, but we're doing something which is better than we're doing elsewhere.

I genuinely don’t know if it is better. Is it not giving Ukrainians false hopes whilst prolonging the war at the cost of Ukrainian (and Russian) lives?

It is good news for manufacturers of weapons as it has massively increased demand whilst also proving a testing ground for their technology.

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Rufus Stone said:

Skeptisk said:

So you think it gets applied equally and fairly?

Isn’t a man’s testimony under Sharia worth twice a woman’s testimony?

Under the previous Taliban regime weren’t they accused of stoning women who had been raped, because they were treated as adulterers?

I don't know the answer to all your questions, but I am always wary of the constant portrayal in the media that only women are victims in the world.

You really need to take a good look in the mirror if you genuinely doubt that women under the Taliban aren’t victims of extreme repression by men.

That doesn’t mean that men aren’t amongst their victims too but women have almost no rights - they can’t work, can’t wear what they want, restricted as to where they can go, who they can meet and what they can do.

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s1962a said:

Biker 1 said:

Seems to me that the Taliban are pretty popular over there. Umpteen invasions have not snuffed out their weird religious views, so what are 'we' supposed to do about it exactly? Sanctions? Another invasion to encourage western democracy?
Maybe 'we' could try the same in other places? Iran? Saudi? Somalia perhaps??

The Taliban are a pariah - they even have beef with all their neighbours and even ISIS think they are s - do you even recall who the Taliban are? They are the "freedom fighters" the west trained up to counter Russia. We left Afghanistan and allowed the Taliban to take over in a power vacuum, and thats part of the problem.

This was Afghanistan before Russia and the US got involved and the Taliban were manufactured.

To be fair that photo could have been taken in other Islamic countries eg Iran, Iraq, probably Pakistan, in the sixties.

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BikeBikeBIke said:

Skeptisk said:

I genuinely don’t know if it is better. Is it not giving Ukrainians false hopes whilst prolonging the war at the cost of Ukrainian (and Russian) lives?.

They think it's better and it's their choice.

I would certainly want help if the UK was being invaded, we were pretty glad to have Amercia helping us out last time.

Wouldn't helping the Afgans get rid of their oppressors also be false hope? By your logic aren't Afgan women better off without our assistance?

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Friday 29th March 08:57

I think it depends what you mean by help. Help to win is not the same as help to prolong the process of defeat. This is getting off topic but is the West really helping Ukraine win? It doesn’t seem like it to me.

I am not sure what the West could do about the Taliban. It just seems incredible that after 20 years and trillions of dollars that the Taliban seem to be back in control and doing what they want.

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Calm down and wipe the spittle off your keyboard.

I didn’t write anything about what might be the best solution for Ukraine.

To me it seems that the only way for Ukraine to win would be to send troops and equipment, meaning fight with them against Russia. Just sending equipment isn’t likely to be enough. A lot of young Ukrainians have fled (there is one in my team) and a lot of those that stayed are dead or injured. The Russians have a lot more bodies to throw at the conflict.

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king arthur said:

Skeptisk said:

I genuinely don’t know if it is better. Is it not giving Ukrainians false hopes whilst prolonging the war at the cost of Ukrainian (and Russian) lives?

Prolonging the war? You'd rather Ukrainians were wiped out quickly rather than slowly I guess? Just let Russia do what it wants and wipe Ukrainian culture and identity off the map, steal all the children and anyone who protests gets murdered or sent to Siberia? And when they've done that with Ukraine they can start on Moldova and Georgia too, because we won't raise a finger. And then the Baltics...

What is happening to women in Afghanistan is horrible but at least I don't believe the Taliban want to perform genocide on their neighbours. What Russia is doing to Ukrainians on the other hand, is pure evil.

Another person with reading comprehension problems. Why are you equating my criticism that not enough is being done to help Ukraine with support for Russia?

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king arthur said:

Skeptisk said:

Another person with reading comprehension problems. Why are you equating my criticism that not enough is being done to help Ukraine with support for Russia?

Well then you need to explain yourself better. How is sending weapons to Ukraine, albeit not enough, not better than doing nothing?

If it only delays, rather than prevents, a Russian victory, is it worthwhile? Yes it might wear down Russia, weaken them and be good for the West but if Ukraine loses and suffers massive flight of their population, destruction of their infrastructure and killing of their young men, will it have helped Ukraine?