Banning the Burqini...

[Colonial]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/italian-city-bars-musl...

Basically, a western tourist is supposed to respect the underlying ethos of a medieval semi-society, sorry, strong and noble religious traditon, but the reverse is not true.

Thoughts?

[Colonial]

XJSJohn said:

when staying in hotels in Malaysia or Indonesia you often see the rather disgusting sight of never mind a Burquini but a fully Burqua clad woman launching herself into the swiming pool .... the same one she has been wearing all day ....

Lets just say that i don't use the pool very often when travelling in these countries ...

Top Tip - find the Hotels that dont specify that their menu is Halal!

Live and let live, but some things are f'ing disgusting, like burqua'ed swimmers or beef bacon & chicken saussages for breakfast!!

I was in Abu Dhabi for work and know exactly what you mean. Ain't a good sight.

I do like the non-Halal menu suggestion.

And a side note - the Burqini is an Australian invention. Makes me all proud.

Edit x 2 because me grammar is crap and stuff

Edited by Colonial on Thursday 20th August 03:51

Edited by Colonial on Thursday 20th August 03:51

[Colonial]

In all honesty I can see both the pros and cons. I just felt like fanning the flames with a hyperbole filled first post.

It strikes me that it is a highly oppressive garment, despite all the crys of how liberating it is from professional left wingers (I know, I used to be one of them), and the use of it strikes a blow against the ethos of a secular society which is something I strongly believe in. Yet it is also a choice of personal liberty for the wearer (although that is arguable given the overarching patriachal nature of the society) so really I'm in a quandry.

I lean on the side of the equality arguement though. Once it is fine for western women to wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia then these can be allowed

[Colonial]

JMGS4 said:

Burqinis would never be allowed here in Germany, as even us normal folk are not allowed any baggy swimwear whatsoever. Shorts type trunks have been banned for years. It's speedos or nowt (nude) here (not flattering to my paunch!) and you'll be checked as to whether you've showered or not before entering the baths area proper.

scratch n sniff test?

[Colonial]

Gedon said:

Colonial said:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/italian-city-bars-musl...

Basically, a western tourist is supposed to respect the underlying ethos of a medieval semi-society, sorry, strong and noble religious traditon, but the reverse is not true.

Thoughts?

Forget the political nonsense. One thing sprang to mind.....cameltoe.

cameltoe is fine. It's mooseknuckle you have to watch out for

[Colonial]

Soovy said:

The Dutch are leading the way.

InAmsterdam recently there was a pron DVD section of "Burqah Pron" where asian looking ladies engaged in just about every act you can think of and some you probably couldn't while dressed in them.

It'd go down great if the nutters knew, I am sure!!

I'd send some troops on a suicide mission for that.

[Colonial]

XitUp said:

All religions are stupid, but people are free to be stupid.

Muntu said:

Burqinis are mandatory for even non muslims in some UK swimming pools

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

Telegraph said:

British swimming pools are imposing Muslim dress codes in a move described as divisive by Labour MPs. UK councils running restricted swimming session for Muslims. Under the rules, swimmers – including non-Muslims – are barred from entering the pool in normal swimming attire. Instead they are told that they must comply with the "modest" code of dress required by Islamic custom, with women covered from the neck to the ankles and men, who swim separately, covered from the navel to the knees...

Croydon council in south London runs separate one-and-a half-hour swimming sessions for Muslim men and women every Saturday and Sunday at Thornton Heath Leisure Centre.

Swimmers were told last week on the centre's website that "during special Muslim sessions male costumes must cover the body from the navel to the knee and females must be covered from the neck to the ankles and wrists"

There are similar rules at Shorpe Leisure Centre, in North Lincolnshire, where "users must follow the required dress code for this session (T-shirts and shorts/leggings that cover below the knee)"...

Shorpe sounds about right

It's a few hours a week, get over it. Do you feel the same about mother and baby sessions/pensioners sessions/etc?

Yes. Yes I do. Old people should be used for heating fuel and babies should be locked in cupboards until the are 7

[Colonial]

zac510 said:

In effect, and perhaps not intentionally, the French are pushing Western values onto them too.

Well, they did chose to live in a western country...

[Colonial]

klootzak said:

While we're banning people's choice in swimwear, perhaps we could ban some other offensive clothing.

Personally, I'd start with trainers, hoodies, those horrid Pringle jumpers, and trousers that hang around the wearer's bottom.

Moccasins would be next up, and maybe also tee-shirts with big logos on them.

Better yet, perhaps we should all wear exactly the same clothes. An outfit fully approved by the contributors to PH.

Maybe it could include a brown shirt.

k

Congratulations. You have implied we are all fascists. Here. Have an e-cookie for that subtle disply of smug superiority.

It is not a question of wearing the same thing. It is a fundamental question of how should western countries deal with the question of intergration into the societal norm.

[Colonial]

klootzak said:

Colonial said:

It is not a question of wearing the same thing. It is a fundamental question of how should western countries deal with the question of intergration into the societal norm.

Exactly. I'm glad we agree on this point.

In "western countries" the "societal norm" is for freedom of choice. You can wear whatever you like and I can wear whatever I like.

If you want to go swimming in a pair of ill-advised budgie-smugglers, that's between you and your conscience (or your ability to ignore the guffaws of nearby women).

If I want to go swimming in a Boss suit, that's my prerogative, however stupid. In much the same way as women in the west are free to choose a bikini or a burquini.

Regrettably, the same isn't true in some Islamic states. But you weren't whingeing about that were you, you were whingeing about people choosing to wear something you think is culturally inappropriate. Which sounds a lot like the sort of thing a fundamentalist muslim might get cross about.

k

Maybe I didn't make myself clear on this one.

There is talk around the country of closing down beaches (that's right, beaches. Public open space. Not even a private swimming pool) to allow for Muslims to swim without being "confronted" by semi naked bodies. That, combined with the abuse levelled at women who wear bikini's on the beach by (mainly Lebanese it has to be said) men is disgusting. I live in a beachside suburb so see it every summer.

Considering the main religious leader in Sydney said that most women deserved to get raped because they don't wear enough clothes and you can see why I might be a little concerned about this progression.

I can understand why there is opposition to this. The western secular system is pressure to my mind, and one which is (now) built on a recognition of equality between the sexes. To then introduce something which is a thoroughly backwards step, and then try to further enforce others to wear it for fear of upsetting a very small minority is just too much of a step for a society to take.

I have a problem with people wearing it on an equality ground, but I recognise their freedom to wear it, even if that freedom is not returned in some countries. However, to try and impose your own backwards (and I acknowledged that the term backwards is both culturally loaded and a condescending judgement call) views on another society is simply not on.