We need more industry

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Following decades of negative Government action toward our creative manufacturing industries, the penny has at long last dropped. Question Time on BBC the issue was raised, general panel agreement Yes we do need many more small manufacturing industries that would help out with our National financial and employment problems
The rot was setting in during the 1970's when the Unions and Government went head to head, we all lost.
Hope that Governments of the future will be more creative encouraging entrepreneurship and manufacturing in the U.K. whilst continuing to attract overseas Companies to set up here.
Living in hope or deluded, maybe both.

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Uhura fighter said:

The point was made on QT and in the QT thread that robots do the work now.

What could we build that would put people into work?

Build upon what we already do better than others, high tech/science. Also high quality bespoke merchandise. More investment and backing required by banks and Government.

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prand said:

Some good news I saw the other day:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/tin_mine_i...

Relatively small scale, but I hope this is the start of the UK starting to open up primary industry again. Hampered by planning restrictions apparently (inevitably?), but good news all the same.

Now for some more coalmines.....

Coalmines, my passion to see re-opened.

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Tsippy said:

I've mentioned it before, but my MP believes that the loss of heavy industry will be replaced by new Green industries.... woohoo.....

Not sure about replacement, but Green industries and all the spin-offs are one avenue forward.

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DJC said:

You are an idiot.

You have already been told why they will not be reopened and who ensured that would happen. There is also no real desire for them for the workforce to go back down the mines. In brutal honesty they had become by the 70s little more than the modern equivalent of the Workhouses. There would be riots if we tried to introduce the notion of mining being a suitable career for the masses in current times.

We also have a superb high tech industry in Britain and it is growing. It requires a lot of investment though and a highly skilled workforce. We need to give it time to grow. People do not want to go back to the days of mass low skill low pay manufacturing. You seem to want to force that.

How about you actually listen to those of us in the high tech industry?

If everyone had your attitude we would all be cooking on log fires sat in caves. Show me your evidence that workers would not go mining, they seem keen enough elsewhere in the World! Forget about the histrionics and be positive. Rules are there to be broken, nothing, and I mean nothing, is set in stone. I like to live in hope and in twenty years time tech' may just help us with our valuable natural resource. If they all think like you in the high tech' industry fk help us all.

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DJC said:

crankedup said:

If everyone had your attitude we would all be cooking on log fires sat in caves. Show me your evidence that workers would not go mining, they seem keen enough elsewhere in the World! Forget about the histrionics and be positive. Rules are there to be broken, nothing, and I mean nothing, is set in stone. I like to live in hope and in twenty years time tech' may just help us with our valuable natural resource. If they all think like you in the high tech' industry fk help us all.

In English?

You may have given up all hope like so many it seems, try to see beyond what is in front of your face and argue against it, do something about it. Its called entrepreneurial forward thinking. Take a seemingly impossible situation, turn it on its head, never be defeated, explore every possible angle. If that still isn't going to bring it alive then shelve it for the future and explore the next opportunity. Alternatively continue as you are, seemingly anchored to other commentators aspirations which you cannot seem to aspire to yourself. You have such a small minded negative mind.

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DJC said:

Given up all hope? Wtf?
All hope of what?
I just showed you the roadmap from the past to the future and you are determined to wish to see us returned to the past!

What small minded, lacking in aspiration, negative job and industry do you think Ive work in and do? Please do inform me, Id love to know.

I don't want to go back to the past, but have you noticed how China are exploiting for their own National wealth, the natural resources available to them? The past, for me it was hard work but at least very rewarding both in terms of financial reward and personal satisfaction. Do you not know that sometimes you have to go back to see the future? If we could extract and use coal from the U.K. then I have no doubt that the extraction techniques would be far removed from that used last century. My hopes in this particular industry may be some distance away in terms of time but I find having positive thoughts is the only way forward. We need people in the U.K. who are forward thinking, determined and positive, no point in casually accepting second best. Its only my point of view, if you think I'm an idiot so be it.

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Dr Jekyll said:

Surely what we need is for those only qualified for manual labour to get some useful skills. There is no mechanism to create demand for workers with nothing to offer.

Indeed, so what mindless short-sighted lousy policies that were brought forward ended apprenticeship training. All common sense people were shouting at the time that it was a huge blunder. As I have mentioned earlier, sometimes we have to go back to go forwards. At least the schemes are being re-instated.

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DJC said:

No they arent. They are exploiting everybody else's natural resources. The boom in base metal consumption over the majority of the last decade has pretty much been fueled by the Chinese swamping the traditional market with demand. The Chinese have been doing deals with damn near every govt in Africa with significant mineral deposits. Their demand far outstrips their own natural domestic supply and they have no external regulation on them.


And no, you dont have to go back at all. That has been the basis of every Luddite argument throughout history and it has been wrong every time and prooven to have been wrong everytime. Fortunately we have engineers to ensure we keep moving forwards.

'Sometimes you have to go back to go forward' note the use of the word 'sometimes'. The old saying 'why re-invent the wheel' comes to mind. Its not to say that the future visions are ignored of course, but looking backwards can sometimes stimulate differing avenues of thought, that's all. This is the worst of text debate, its difficult to get across the true meaning of the expressions and also the reading of text can not always convey detailed thought. Probably best discussed over a pint
China are exploiting World resources just as we have been doing and all other Western Countries, its just the Chinese are better at it then us by employing cheap labour to use the resource, its not rocket science is it. Who do you think are buying all the cheaper products from China? exactly, the West. The World keeps turning but the East is beginning to benefit to a greater extent then us.

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Another old thread, discussing growth or lack of it. China was powering ahead with its industries, how things quickly change.

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Zod said:

crankedup, find a way to compete with the Chinese industries on cost and you'll win the Nobel Prize for ecnomics.

Indeed Zod, indeed. We know the Chinese workers are getting restless with their lot that is underpaid, overworked while the Company owners rake it in. Sounds strangely a familiar theme, but don't want to argue on that one. And I guess with such a mega huge workforce pool for industry to dip into they are in a strong position to hold those wages down, bad news for us. I recall mentioning in an earlier thread that we should not compete against the Chinese on what they are good and cheap at, rather we should build up on our own strengths and sell that on the Global market. Such as what is happening with Samsung buying into CRT at Cambridge.