liner into old chimney for gas stove
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Hi Folks,
we are currently getting our roof replaced with new slate and the chimney was to get repointed. It was deemed as unsafe and had to be pulled down and rebuilt with new stone (it was in terrible condition).
We have a Morso Gas Stove which was brought from our old house and we would like to fit it here, the stone mason has suggested fitting the main flu / chimney liner whilst the chimney cap / cope is off and it is stripped down.
I will be getting a hetas engineer to fit the stove but can anyone recommend a liner to use just now so that in a few months when work is done inside the stove engineer can fit the stove in with metal plate and flu attachment later.
This is our gas stove
http://www.stoveculture.co.uk/morso-panther-2100-g...
we are currently getting our roof replaced with new slate and the chimney was to get repointed. It was deemed as unsafe and had to be pulled down and rebuilt with new stone (it was in terrible condition).
We have a Morso Gas Stove which was brought from our old house and we would like to fit it here, the stone mason has suggested fitting the main flu / chimney liner whilst the chimney cap / cope is off and it is stripped down.
I will be getting a hetas engineer to fit the stove but can anyone recommend a liner to use just now so that in a few months when work is done inside the stove engineer can fit the stove in with metal plate and flu attachment later.
This is our gas stove
http://www.stoveculture.co.uk/morso-panther-2100-g...
ColinM50 said:
dirkgently said:
I think that you may need a Gas safe engineer.
He's not an Engineer he's a plumber. Or maybe a Technician or Fitter, but definitely NOT an EngineerPretty sure the dictionary definition of engineer also covers building and maintaining something designed by another, which I presume is what you were digging at?
To the OP; I agree with dirkgently, HETAS might be something your engineer can cover, but if they aren't Gas Safe registered, they shouldn't be anywhere near your appliance. When you locate someone, check their number on the website and ensure they have a tick next to fire, otherwise they've only completed basic level of qualifications and haven't been assessed to install or service your appliance.
ColinM50 said:
He's not an Engineer he's a plumber. Or maybe a Technician or Fitter, but definitely NOT an Engineer
haha. Had this a while back, it was probably you. If you don't think heating engineers are engineers then you a)don't know what engineer means b)don't know what being a heating engineer actually involves c)are just a prat.I'd bet on all 3.
The flue itself can be installed by anyone without any formal qualifications. It's the final connection and commissioning process which requires the qualifications.
A flexible flue liner like Technoflex made by Schiedel would do for lining a chimney if it's made from non-combustible materials. Just bear in mind, for a flue system in residential applications it's necessary to be able to gain access to any joints in the flue so that they can be inspected.
A flexible flue liner like Technoflex made by Schiedel would do for lining a chimney if it's made from non-combustible materials. Just bear in mind, for a flue system in residential applications it's necessary to be able to gain access to any joints in the flue so that they can be inspected.
strath44 said:
Thanks folks, got advice and fitting a 125mm or 5in flue liner.
Will be getting it connected at the other end by the relevant person.
Then if your original link is correct then your advice of flue liner is totally wrong and should not be approved by any Gas Safe installer! Your link clearly states 155mm flue diameter - manufacturers specifications should always take precedent over Gas Safe regs.Will be getting it connected at the other end by the relevant person.
ColinM50 said:
dirkgently said:
I think that you may need a Gas safe engineer.
He's not an Engineer he's a plumber. Or maybe a Technician or Fitter, but definitely NOT an EngineerOP, not all gas fire installations require a liner to be fitted. Have a look through the installation manual or call the manufacturers technical department for guidance.
I was initially going to fit a 6 inch on the off chance we ever put a wood burner on that chimney however after speaking to morso they recommend 5 inch on my stove and said there could be issues with the 6 inch - what I don't know maybe to do with exhausting the fumes etc.
But yes much different to fitting a flu for a log burner I think the recommended is 6 inch min for them!
But yes much different to fitting a flu for a log burner I think the recommended is 6 inch min for them!
strath44 said:
I was initially going to fit a 6 inch on the off chance we ever put a wood burner on that chimney however after speaking to morso they recommend 5 inch on my stove and said there could be issues with the 6 inch - what I don't know maybe to do with exhausting the fumes etc.
But yes much different to fitting a flu for a log burner I think the recommended is 6 inch min for them!
There are different grade liners for gas and solid fuel stoves, make sure you have specced the correct one.But yes much different to fitting a flu for a log burner I think the recommended is 6 inch min for them!
dickymint said:
Simpo Two said:
I was surprised it was 6" - my 5Kw multifuel Stovax has to send all sorts of crud up the chimney and is 5".
It's a gas fire totally different animal strath44 said:
But yes much different to fitting a flu for a log burner I think the recommended is 6 inch min for them!
No, most <5Kw stoves are specced with 5" flues.Simpo Two said:
dickymint said:
Simpo Two said:
I was surprised it was 6" - my 5Kw multifuel Stovax has to send all sorts of crud up the chimney and is 5".
It's a gas fire totally different animal strath44 said:
But yes much different to fitting a flu for a log burner I think the recommended is 6 inch min for them!
No, most <5Kw stoves are specced with 5" flues.https://www.oilstoves.co.uk/webdocs/technical/Mors...
"Had a closer look and indeed you are correct - the output collar is 6" but a 5" flue is fine............
https://www.oilstoves.co.uk/webdocs/technical/Mors...
Indeed that had even the morso tech initially confused and say fit a 6inch as that is the collar size however they called back to say definitely fit a 5 inch!
My stove is also available as a wood burner etc so I reckon they use the same cast for a lot of stoves!
I should have asked the fitters what they were using at our old house when it was installed there!
https://www.oilstoves.co.uk/webdocs/technical/Mors...
Indeed that had even the morso tech initially confused and say fit a 6inch as that is the collar size however they called back to say definitely fit a 5 inch!
My stove is also available as a wood burner etc so I reckon they use the same cast for a lot of stoves!
I should have asked the fitters what they were using at our old house when it was installed there!
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