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OK here's my beef.
I think that no matter what dog an owner decides to have, when outside of their home said dogs should be on a lead and wearing a muzzle.
Why?
Well, because no matter how fluffy, loving or cute they are they have the potential to harm. People swear that their dog would never harm anyone, but the bottom line is that they cannot be 100% sure. Never
In my opinion a dog (depending on breed) is more of a potential killing weapon than a knife.
Strong words I know, but thats the way it is for me.
Plus, they are noisy barking b
ds that st everywhere. fking dogs. 
As a side note - I have never been attacked or bitten by one of these flea bags.
I think that no matter what dog an owner decides to have, when outside of their home said dogs should be on a lead and wearing a muzzle.
Why?
Well, because no matter how fluffy, loving or cute they are they have the potential to harm. People swear that their dog would never harm anyone, but the bottom line is that they cannot be 100% sure. Never
In my opinion a dog (depending on breed) is more of a potential killing weapon than a knife.
Strong words I know, but thats the way it is for me.
Plus, they are noisy barking b
ds that st everywhere. fking dogs. As a side note - I have never been attacked or bitten by one of these flea bags.
Right, right, right. Firstly I'll apologise for my 'tone' it seems to have upset a few of the sensitive types
That said, I do still stand by my claims and still think dogs should be on a lead and muzzled. Full stop.
Yes, there are many other topics in life one could debate and frankly to question my views on everything else in the universe is a piss poor way of making a defence for dogs.
No matter how much you love your dog, no matter how cute they are, no matter how soft they appear to be; like it or not, they have the potential to maim and have proved so in so many sad occurrences.
The thing is, oh soppy dog lovers, you may well be able to understand your dog on a very basic level (i.e., food, drink, walking and stting) but nobody can fully understand a dogs mood. Nobody can talk to and verbally communicate with dogs, nobody can asses them and predict if they may just bite, if they may just misinterpret the action of an unassuming or boisterous child.
No matter what you say, there is no guarantee that they would never flip, and because of this when out in public they should be on a lead and muzzled at all times.
Those are my views and that's that.
I thank you.
That said, I do still stand by my claims and still think dogs should be on a lead and muzzled. Full stop.
Yes, there are many other topics in life one could debate and frankly to question my views on everything else in the universe is a piss poor way of making a defence for dogs.
No matter how much you love your dog, no matter how cute they are, no matter how soft they appear to be; like it or not, they have the potential to maim and have proved so in so many sad occurrences.
The thing is, oh soppy dog lovers, you may well be able to understand your dog on a very basic level (i.e., food, drink, walking and s
tting) but nobody can fully understand a dogs mood. Nobody can talk to and verbally communicate with dogs, nobody can asses them and predict if they may just bite, if they may just misinterpret the action of an unassuming or boisterous child. No matter what you say, there is no guarantee that they would never flip, and because of this when out in public they should be on a lead and muzzled at all times.
Those are my views and that's that.
I thank you.
bexVN said:
So why bother to post if it's your view and that's that. You obviously had no intention of considering other views.
I'm not sensitive. I just do not think my dog needs to be muzzled and I'd refuse all attempts to force him to be so.
You are tarring every dog with the same brush which seems really unfair to me
It is unfair I suppose, but because of the reasons I have already stated i.e. non communicado, one has to take that stance. Unless you can prove your dog can talk?I'm not sensitive. I just do not think my dog needs to be muzzled and I'd refuse all attempts to force him to be so.
You are tarring every dog with the same brush which seems really unfair to me
bexVN said:
Pig Skill said:
It is unfair I suppose, but because of the reasons I have already stated i.e. non communicado, one has to take that stance. Unless you can prove your dog can talk?
He doesn't need to talk. When you've dedicated your whole adult life to dealing with dogs of all breeds ages etc and in a veterinary environment you get to understand them well. Jimmy is easy to understand by comparison!If you feel you can genuinely understand dogs and make a 100% decision on whether they will ever bite or not then you my friend are in the wrong business. You could clean up! Issue certificates of safety and boost the sale values of puppies...
Look, your argument is the same as all the rest - you THINK you can understand them but you can't and one day that confidence will come back to bite you
(see what I did there?)FailHere said:
As someone who was "maimed" by a dog when I was a child, I still do not think all dogs should be muzzled. (It was our own collie, I knelt on her paw and she took a chunk out of my ear, it's still missing, I think she ate it.)
Of my last four dogs two I would have trusted completely and two I wouldn't, they were all strays and all had different issues. All were trained, some more successfully than others. As a responsible owner I never left them unattended with children, as I trust children less than I trusted the dogs.
The only one that showed aggression to other dogs, but never people, so far in the last ten years is the terrier that I still have. He wears a muzzle at the vet as I am aware that in a stress situation he may decide to snap.
I try to avoid other people as I don't get on with them, I suggest that people who don't get on with dogs avoid dogs.
Really? So they should stay indoors? Dogs are just animals and very much further downstream of humans.Of my last four dogs two I would have trusted completely and two I wouldn't, they were all strays and all had different issues. All were trained, some more successfully than others. As a responsible owner I never left them unattended with children, as I trust children less than I trusted the dogs.
The only one that showed aggression to other dogs, but never people, so far in the last ten years is the terrier that I still have. He wears a muzzle at the vet as I am aware that in a stress situation he may decide to snap.
I try to avoid other people as I don't get on with them, I suggest that people who don't get on with dogs avoid dogs.
Unfortunately you cannot legislate for the capability of dog owners to control/trust their dogs. Hence the tarring of them all with the same brush.
Karyn said:
Pig Skill said:
This thread took a wrong turn here...
This thread was wrong from the start, in that you never intended to "debate" the issue, and you're bandying crack-pot ideas about to the wrong audience.
The majority of the posters on this forum are good, responsible pet owners, who take time and effort to understand their pets (impossible, according to you) and what their needs are, and then spend time, money and effort ensuring that the needs are met.
Your ridiculous suggestion of muzzling all dogs is dumbing down to the lowest common denominator. Tarring everyone with the "stupid" brush, when it's the minority who are stupid*, and the majority who are well aware of how their dog will interact/react with/to the stimulus and environment around them (thereby negating a need for a muzzle, in most instances**).
* too stupid to understand what good, responsibly pet ownership involves; too stupid to cater to their dogs needs; too stupid to teach acceptable behaviour; too stupid to pose less of a risk to others and their pets.
** as an aside, I think you'll find responsible dog owners are aware of when a muzzle will benefit their dog, and act accordingly.
But, as you said, you're right, and that's that.
ts so my attitude to that sort of st is to take a 'go screw yourself then' sort of attitude.My reluctance to 'debate' only became apparent later in the thread and was in response to the softy pissflaps who were offended I dare criticise their flea ridden s
t machines.So ner ner nerrrr
Here's the thing - we have a dog! He is a rescue dog called Jasper.
We have been to hell and back turning him from a jumpy, tetchy dog who used to try and choke himself when on lead into a placid little fellow with a lot more trust.
Would I let him off lead in a park or other public outing? Not a chance. Does he wear a muzzle? Of course he does.
This little fellow can turn in the blink of an eye and has bitten dogs far bigger than he. No warning, something inside just switches.
How many other owners can be sure their dog won't?
We have been to hell and back turning him from a jumpy, tetchy dog who used to try and choke himself when on lead into a placid little fellow with a lot more trust.
Would I let him off lead in a park or other public outing? Not a chance. Does he wear a muzzle? Of course he does.
This little fellow can turn in the blink of an eye and has bitten dogs far bigger than he. No warning, something inside just switches.
How many other owners can be sure their dog won't?
wiliferus said:
Pig Skill said:
Plus, they are noisy barking bds that st everywhere. fking dogs.
A worrying attitude from a dog owner? ds that st everywhere. fking dogs. 
Edited by Pig Skill on Thursday 11th October 10:55
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