How deal with a lame dog that just won't stop running.
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Logan's became lame a few weeks ago. Took to vet who could find nothing wrong said he was 100 %
But said a month with just walking no running definitely no tennis ball.
Problem is he's so fit he's just going mental. He's just finished 20 laps of the house upstairs down stairs leaping over the settee.at speeds you need to see to believe. He's banging I to walls banging his feet on thins just generally hurting himself more.
He's so frustrated but every time he does it his limp comes back. Short of keeping him in his crates for a month I don't know what to do.
Advice please.
I can see know how working type dogs become problems with owners who don't give them excercise they need. He's like something possessed.
Perhaps we were overdoing it on the excercise before and he just expects it. It's really frustrating for all of us. He's never going to get better at this rate.
But said a month with just walking no running definitely no tennis ball.
Problem is he's so fit he's just going mental. He's just finished 20 laps of the house upstairs down stairs leaping over the settee.at speeds you need to see to believe. He's banging I to walls banging his feet on thins just generally hurting himself more.
He's so frustrated but every time he does it his limp comes back. Short of keeping him in his crates for a month I don't know what to do.
Advice please.
I can see know how working type dogs become problems with owners who don't give them excercise they need. He's like something possessed.
Perhaps we were overdoing it on the excercise before and he just expects it. It's really frustrating for all of us. He's never going to get better at this rate.
digger the goat said:
Have you tried anything added to his food ?
We use 'Newmarket joint supplement'.
As long as we use it daily, Montys limp disappears.
Worth a go for a tenner !
p.s.. Bumped into an Australian cattle dog at a dog show last month. The owner was gobsmacked that I knew what it was
I bet he's only been recognised by two people and they both worked in Australia. We use 'Newmarket joint supplement'.
As long as we use it daily, Montys limp disappears.
Worth a go for a tenner !
p.s.. Bumped into an Australian cattle dog at a dog show last month. The owner was gobsmacked that I knew what it was
Yeah every meal he gets salmon oil and I've started lintbels youmove tablets. Orijen puppy food we give him also have added supplements too I believe.
He's like a whirlwind. And getting very frustrated he just want to run.
We are going to have to sedate him and get x rays if it carries on but I really don't want to do that. I'm a big wuss.
Thanks. We can share it
Just ordered a couple of these
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Musselflex-500mg-Organic-L...
I'm wondering if it's ligament damage. If he'd just stop charging around like a bull in a china shop it would be better.
Although it's part of his character and I love it I'd rather he was uninsured
Just ordered a couple of these
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Musselflex-500mg-Organic-L...
I'm wondering if it's ligament damage. If he'd just stop charging around like a bull in a china shop it would be better.
Although it's part of his character and I love it I'd rather he was uninsured
Edited by Pesty on Saturday 24th May 13:43
Front legs although I can't tell which one.
Not overweight at all never sits still enough. He's solid muscle.
Has no problem running full speed leaping the settee or any other manner of boisterousness.
Only noticeable when walkng slowly. And then not there all time but comes back when he has his mad half hours.
11 months old. No fear will jump off objects no matter how high or run full speed into piles of rocks. ( which I think is probably how he picked it up)
He's seen two different vets who have prodded an pocked him all over. They found nothing.
They advised swimming but he can't do that either because his ears are sore. Giving him drops nearly better but no water for a week or so,
Not overweight at all never sits still enough. He's solid muscle.
Has no problem running full speed leaping the settee or any other manner of boisterousness.
Only noticeable when walkng slowly. And then not there all time but comes back when he has his mad half hours.
11 months old. No fear will jump off objects no matter how high or run full speed into piles of rocks. ( which I think is probably how he picked it up)
He's seen two different vets who have prodded an pocked him all over. They found nothing.
They advised swimming but he can't do that either because his ears are sore. Giving him drops nearly better but no water for a week or so,
Will mention OCD when we take him back. Looking at symptoms pain when handled and swelling they are not present.
Interesting though. Too much energy and calcium in food. We did give him the odd saucer of goats milk and he does like cheese. But we were recomended to give him calcium for his growing bones
They messed with all his joints. Noy sure how he'd be ona tread mill. He'd probably try to attack it.
Interesting though. Too much energy and calcium in food. We did give him the odd saucer of goats milk and he does like cheese. But we were recomended to give him calcium for his growing bones
They messed with all his joints. Noy sure how he'd be ona tread mill. He'd probably try to attack it.
Update.
We kept Logan only very little exercise for a month no running. His limp was almost gone but then came back worse still with no running just walking, So we took him back for X-rays.
They showed me the film and you could see the gap in the joint on one shoulder was narrower than on the other.
The vet diagnosed suspected fractured coronoid process. Basically he's had a fracture and where it's healed more bone has grown.
Told me to give him maximum 10 minutes a day on lead for another month. He gave me some glucosomene tablets I told them I was already giving him that and green lipped muscle but because apparently tests have shown ones that we buy not from vets don't contain any . I'd better let youmove know. Hhhmmmm left a bad feeling that they were just trying to get money out of me. But I just want my boy better so bought it anyway,
What I don't understand is how glucosamine will make the extra bone growth go away? It may be that he needs an operation.
Also he really scared me because when he had Logan walk up and down he said he wasn't interested in his limp there was so etching wrong with his hips. After a day if s
tting myself it turned out his hips were perfect it's just he has so much muscle back there it restricts his movement.
So another really frustrating months for my boy. Who was having 2 to 3 hours a day if exercise now down to ten minutes. It's horrible. He us very frustrated. He's a very active dog and is not liking doing nothing.
As we were planning on having his hips and elbows scored anyway it made sense to do that at the same time so those have been sent away to the kennel club.
We kept Logan only very little exercise for a month no running. His limp was almost gone but then came back worse still with no running just walking, So we took him back for X-rays.
They showed me the film and you could see the gap in the joint on one shoulder was narrower than on the other.
The vet diagnosed suspected fractured coronoid process. Basically he's had a fracture and where it's healed more bone has grown.
Told me to give him maximum 10 minutes a day on lead for another month. He gave me some glucosomene tablets I told them I was already giving him that and green lipped muscle but because apparently tests have shown ones that we buy not from vets don't contain any . I'd better let youmove know. Hhhmmmm left a bad feeling that they were just trying to get money out of me. But I just want my boy better so bought it anyway,
What I don't understand is how glucosamine will make the extra bone growth go away? It may be that he needs an operation.
Also he really scared me because when he had Logan walk up and down he said he wasn't interested in his limp there was so etching wrong with his hips. After a day if s
tting myself it turned out his hips were perfect it's just he has so much muscle back there it restricts his movement.So another really frustrating months for my boy. Who was having 2 to 3 hours a day if exercise now down to ten minutes. It's horrible. He us very frustrated. He's a very active dog and is not liking doing nothing.
As we were planning on having his hips and elbows scored anyway it made sense to do that at the same time so those have been sent away to the kennel club.
bexVN said:
Please consider getting him referred to a good physio/ hydro centre,
It's such a shame the vets didn't xray him a month ago.
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Will do.It's such a shame the vets didn't xray him a month ago
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And I did wonder that. Two visits to two different vet practices both said just don't excercise him for a month. Money was nt a problem he's insured.( having said that I had to stump up the 380 because they said they couldn't seperate out the hip and elbow x rays from the limp x rats )
To be fair his limp would come and go and both gave him thorough examinations and could find nothing.
Update.
after a few weeks of being very good his limp has started to come back. We have just seen different vet with more experience he has looked at the x rays and can see no bone growth or abnormalities at all.
the limp can be not there one day and really bad the next. seems completely random i.e not after a walk.
He suspects (this may not be exact) muscle or tendon has been torn from the bone and this is causing irritation. He says its very common and steroid injections usually fix permanently ( in most cases).
however he wants to take more x rays after injecting joint with die ( why didn't they do this when they took last x rays?)
oh his hip scores came back 4 and 7 not sure how good that is but they never did the elbows that we asked and paid for. Doh
after a few weeks of being very good his limp has started to come back. We have just seen different vet with more experience he has looked at the x rays and can see no bone growth or abnormalities at all.
the limp can be not there one day and really bad the next. seems completely random i.e not after a walk.
He suspects (this may not be exact) muscle or tendon has been torn from the bone and this is causing irritation. He says its very common and steroid injections usually fix permanently ( in most cases).
however he wants to take more x rays after injecting joint with die ( why didn't they do this when they took last x rays?)
oh his hip scores came back 4 and 7 not sure how good that is but they never did the elbows that we asked and paid for. Doh
Jasandjules said:
4 and 7 sound ok to me. What is the breed average?
The vet said he was under average. I don't know how it works info I can find is 10 don't know if you add each score together or each score should be under ten.desolate said:
I used to have a dog that would put a limp on to get a stroke - could he be doing that?!
(it stemmed from having a genuine limp as a pup and getting lots of fuss - he would do it 12/13 years later!)
pretty sure he isn't putting it on. (it stemmed from having a genuine limp as a pup and getting lots of fuss - he would do it 12/13 years later!)
Right the orthopaedic specialist we were referred to today took a ct scan of Logan.
Basically he can't see anything wrong with any joints. Shoulders fine no cartilage flap ( OCD)
Only one thing he said was a possible was some slight incongruity on one knee joint. He showed us the ct scan. X rests show knees to be perfect and he will get a great score.
He might have pulled a muscle running around daft.
So good news no operation.
Bad news mire weeks of 5 minute exercise a day
Basically he can't see anything wrong with any joints. Shoulders fine no cartilage flap ( OCD)
Only one thing he said was a possible was some slight incongruity on one knee joint. He showed us the ct scan. X rests show knees to be perfect and he will get a great score.
He might have pulled a muscle running around daft.
So good news no operation.
Bad news mire weeks of 5 minute exercise a day
Edited by Pesty on Friday 22 August 21:46
bexVN said:
He's proving to be a bit of a challenge to them isn't he!
I really hope things get back to normal soon. Have to say the advice of 5 mins exercise seems a bit poor.
It's killing him. He is by nature a very active dog. And very frustrating for us I just want to see him happy running around again with his mates. I can also tell the lack if socialisation is affecting his behaviour towards dogs. Probably because we are not letting him go and play I really hope things get back to normal soon. Have to say the advice of 5 mins exercise seems a bit poor.
I must admit I liked this guys methods and I liked the fact from the start he said these things can be difficult and he may not be able to give us an answer.
He was going to do a ct scan then laparoscopy. But after the ct scan he decided not to go ahead with the operation.
Oh one more thing the last vet he saw said definitely left shoulder and we had two choices. Laparoscopy or he could operate there.
Thank f
k we didn't get it done there the specialist confirmed it was right side he was limping on!! His best guess is right knee. But he isn't even sure of that.Also he was at this vets all day and I am off. It's the longest he has been out of my sight it was horrible eating and not being pestered and the postman came and he wasn't there to run to the door. I'd be ost if anything happened to my boy.
I'm hoping it isn't a chronic muscle tear, rotor cuff type thing. That is worst case. Knees can be improve rotor cuff would be life ling but he dud say he really doesn't think it's anything to do with his shoulders.
Jasandjules said:
4 and 7 sound ok to me. What is the breed average?
Breed average is 13 so he's below.Hooli said:
You've let him watch Mad Max haven't you? he wants a squeezy metal brace on the joint
I've got a dodgy knee too. We could get a matching pair. Had to stop myself buying that interceptor that was on here a while ago.Edited by Pesty on Friday 22 August 21:49
Right well this fking farce has just been topped off today, I'm so angry I can't even think straight. I feel sick.
From day one this has been handled poorly we have had appologies from senior vets because young vets made mistakes that senior vet then wanted to operate on his left should when his right leg is the issue!!! Thank fk we had lost all confidence in that bunch of tts and went to a specialist.
I say thank fk but they are even worse.
Logan went in today for his laprescopy on his right elbow. I was stressed enough that was the third time we had taken him expecting to leave him for an op.
I could have cried leaving him but the vet said don't worry between the 2 doing the operation 40 years experience....
Anyway get a call from him I saw you looked stressed so I just wanted to set your mind at rest we looked in his joint and it allows good. Cartilage fine. Some very minor miss congruity but nothing to be worried about. Looks like it must be soft tissue damage.
Few mind at rest very relived ... Ok so all his joints are fine ct scan and invasive investigation shows no problems in any joints.
Ten minutes later I get a call. Anybody guess..
Yes that's right they operated on the wrong fking leg. They opened up and fked around with a perfect leg.
fking ridiculas in 2015 theses things shouldn't happen. There are check lists everybody in the room should read the notes and agree.
It's a fkng disgrace.
king farce has just been topped off today, I'm so angry I can't even think straight. I feel sick.From day one this has been handled poorly we have had appologies from senior vets because young vets made mistakes that senior vet then wanted to operate on his left should when his right leg is the issue!!! Thank f
k we had lost all confidence in that bunch of tts and went to a specialist. I say thank f
k but they are even worse.Logan went in today for his laprescopy on his right elbow. I was stressed enough that was the third time we had taken him expecting to leave him for an op.
I could have cried leaving him but the vet said don't worry between the 2 doing the operation 40 years experience....
Anyway get a call from him I saw you looked stressed so I just wanted to set your mind at rest we looked in his joint and it allows good. Cartilage fine. Some very minor miss congruity but nothing to be worried about. Looks like it must be soft tissue damage.
Few mind at rest very relived ... Ok so all his joints are fine ct scan and invasive investigation shows no problems in any joints.
Ten minutes later I get a call. Anybody guess..
Yes that's right they operated on the wrong f
king leg. They opened up and fked around with a perfect leg. f
king ridiculas in 2015 theses things shouldn't happen. There are check lists everybody in the room should read the notes and agree.It's a f
kng disgrace. No. They want us to book him in next week.
I just don't know what to do. I'm completely lost. he's the most precious thing I have. And these butchers are just fking around.
Part of my job is investigating clinical incidents I made it clear it was his right leg. I even asked him to inspect it again because no matter what I do I can't get him to react no matter how I prod and poke him. I was surprised when he wrang first but now I'm wondering if it was a deliberate cover up. I'm wondering if they did actually remove bone or Caroline from the wrong leg its a pattern I've seen before.
I.e all was well we didn't do anything... Oh it's the wrong leg but at least we didn't do anything, it was no more than 5 or ten minutes he range back.
How you can then go and operate on the wrong fking leg ten minutes later.
I understand these things are hard to diagnose but that's what the ct scan was for and the the exploratory investigation.
So my boy has has a procedure he didn't need and we are still at square one after nearly a year.
I just don't know what to do. I'm completely lost. he's the most precious thing I have. And these butchers are just f
king around.Part of my job is investigating clinical incidents I made it clear it was his right leg. I even asked him to inspect it again because no matter what I do I can't get him to react no matter how I prod and poke him. I was surprised when he wrang first but now I'm wondering if it was a deliberate cover up. I'm wondering if they did actually remove bone or Caroline from the wrong leg its a pattern I've seen before.
I.e all was well we didn't do anything... Oh it's the wrong leg but at least we didn't do anything, it was no more than 5 or ten minutes he range back.
How you can then go and operate on the wrong f
king leg ten minutes later.I understand these things are hard to diagnose but that's what the ct scan was for and the the exploratory investigation.
So my boy has has a procedure he didn't need and we are still at square one after nearly a year.
Xtriple129 said:
I wonder if there is some regulatory body for vets as these incompetants (yours and mine) need reporting.
I apologise for the long post about my little girls problems, I hope that you get a decent vet and get your pooch sorted.
Best of luck.
I was wondering the same. For humans it's the MHRA along with other avenues.
They say he has to stay in tonight the first night he has ever been away from us. I. Shaking to think he's lieing there in pain away from on now not only on his bad leg but his good one too.
First ever time we took him to the last vet ( he had seen two others previously who kept saying don't do anything for month anpfter month then said oh he's still limping nothing we can do) over his I'm not shamed to say made me faint, I took him in for his front leg and he said" I'm not worried about his limp there is something seriously wrong with both his hips"
A full day at work totally stressed out only for to say his hips are perfect he's just Hoyt so much muscle his movements restricted. ( I'd been talking to somebody in the waiting room who had a young dog put down because of hip and should issues)
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 3rd February 16:10
Thanks bex I'll take. A look.
I don't think they can solve the issue unless they have a time machine.
Assuming they are telling the truth and did not do bone removeal ( what they said they might do on the other leg) if all they have done is poked around with the camera are they likely to have caused any lasting damage.
It breaks my heart to see him limp on one. Limping on both would finish me off,
I don't think they can solve the issue unless they have a time machine.
Assuming they are telling the truth and did not do bone removeal ( what they said they might do on the other leg) if all they have done is poked around with the camera are they likely to have caused any lasting damage.
It breaks my heart to see him limp on one. Limping on both would finish me off,
Ok sounds heartening they said as his joint was so small they would have to extend the joint as the cameras they use are larger than normal because small ones are expensive and break.
They have still been poking around with a camera inside a good joint. They had to make incisions through tissue of some kind /s
He's now hoing to have to heal from that and we still don't know what's wrong with the other side.
Full of himself he was too 20 years experience my arse
They have still been poking around with a camera inside a good joint. They had to make incisions through tissue of some kind /s
He's now hoing to have to heal from that and we still don't know what's wrong with the other side.
Full of himself he was too 20 years experience my arse
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