Bradford- lost for words

[Leicesterdave]

I've travelled to many places over the globe but have never seen such a hole. It is run down with nothing to offer. The place is full of scum, whether it be white or asian.

And I'm all for multiculturalism but multicultural it is not. 80-90% of asians does not make a city multicultural.

If you want to get a feel for how British society has gone down the pan- do visit Bradford!

[Leicesterdave]

GTIR said:

I doubt the % is that high, probably more like 20% Asian and "others".

Maybe you were in the Asian area?

I gather just under 30% is the official number. I find that hard to believe, I was in the city centre today and it definitely was 80%. It's just that Bradford didn't have one redeeming feature I could think of! Not one!

[Leicesterdave]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Census shows:

71.21 White British
2.27 Mixed
19.83 Asian or Asian British
2.01 Black or Black British
0.47 Chinese

Percentage of Asian or Asian British is well below Leicester and several London Boroughs.

I've always rather liked Bradford. Scruffy place, but some magnificent buildings and nice pubs.

I cannot understand how those figures can remotely be accurate. Believe me I went, and I saw with my own eyes. Dreadful place! Decent buildings I guess at a push- but very few.

[Leicesterdave]

PurpleMoonlight said:

But if you know Leicester you will appreciate that certain areas will have a higher concentration than others.

Never been to leicester! I know. Don't ask! No other city looks like Bradford- Sheffield, Leeds, Manchester, Nottingham. You name them. They all have dodgy areas but have decent to very nice city centre and do actually feel multicultural!

[Leicesterdave]

How can I put this in a politically correct way? How what this allow to happen? I mean yes, sure, my very basic understanding is that asian people were needed in the mills in the 50s and 60s but jeeeeze! If every major UK city modelled itself on Bradford you'd literally feel like it wasn't the UK anymore.

It's such a sensitive subject- and the racism card is played a lot. It's not being racist, I just think of it another way. If a huge influx of white people descended on a city in Pakistan, how would they feel? Again, it wouldn't be multiculturalism would it? The few remaining would just feel bitter, I'm sure of it.

[Leicesterdave]

TheRealFingers99 said:

I'd guess that most of Bradford's Asians were born here.

Oh definitely. They are british but only by default. The vast majority don't want to integrate and it shows. The 1st generation who came here did try but this fizzled out a long time ago.

The feeling I got when walking around town was that I just didn't belong in Bradford, which I find hilarious!

[Leicesterdave]

tenpenceshort said:

They're British because they're British (as British as you or I). Integration is a two way street, and there's nothing in your posts here to suggest you want to integrate with another culture (the impression is that your version of integration is they adopt your ways).

I stand by my posts. Bradford centre, which is where most tourists would flock to is a dive. Can you imagine a tourist landing in the centre of Bradford and thinking they were visiting Britain? It's not exactly what you'd expect is it? Fair enough the world is now one big melting pot of cultures and you don't expect (especially in cities) just to see the one race but I really think Bradford is nothing like any other UK city. It's a mess in every way.

[Leicesterdave]

anonymous said:

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It is though. Walking through the city centre of Bradford is genuinely like walking in Pakistan/india/ parts of Asia. The 'problem' is that it doesn't feel like a British city. It's not a racist point to make whatsoever yet why do some people feel like it is?

Why is it wrong to want the UK to feel like Europe and not Pakistan?

[Leicesterdave]

The beauty of this world is that we can now travel for a relatively small sum of money and discover the many different cultures out there. When I go to Thailand, generally, I expect to see a majority of thai people, if I go to Japan I expect to see a majority of Japanese people. I love to learn from others and believe me- I can't think of anything better than meeting people with something different to offer. I despise the white british chav just as much as I despise what seems to be happening in Bradford.

[Leicesterdave]

Countdown said:

The majority of people living in Bradford are British. They can choose how they wish to live.

I'd like to think we're all intelligent people on here and know exactly what we're talking about here. To reiterate: this isn't anything to do with racism, yes, the vast majority of people in Bradford are British. Being born here makes you British but in every other way people there seem to be anything but.

Besides, again, how can it really be a good thing when a city is populated by such a high percentage of any ethnic 'minority'? Can anyone give me one good reason as to why Bradford and its inhabitants are a role model to us all?

[Leicesterdave]

Countdown said:

Its demographic make-up is down to historical reasons. And, to an extent, it's irrelevant. It's a dump. It needs changing. The fact that it has a high number of Asians living there is as pertinent as saying Hull's a dump because it has a high number of fishermen living there.

But the centre itself could be like another other city. There is nothing amazing about it architecturally but thankfully it lacks the 60s brutalist architecture which plagues other places I've visited.
It's a dump because people have been fleeing the place- and what is left behind clearly isn't attracting investment.

[Leicesterdave]

Countdown said:

It was 4 weeks.

It's got fk all to do with the Asian minority.
It's down to an idle under-educated low aspiration chav subculture that leeches on benefits.

The fact that it's dump? Not entirely. But I still think challenge anyone to relocate in Bradford, for say 2 years, and loving it. Forget the shops, people create an atmosphere and a place you'd want to live in.

Why would you start a family there, I mean can you imagine? The white kid would have to integrate into the classroom! My other half went to school in a predominantly asian area in Sheffield. She was as miserable as hell there as all her 'friends' would not be able to meet up at the weekend as she was too westernised.... I mean how the hell is that integrating?

[Leicesterdave]

blindswelledrat said:

Just think about it for a minute when you genuinely think this isn't racism.

I'm not talking about poverty. Even if every single ethnic minority had millions I still wouldn't particularly like a city to be populated by a majority of non indigenous folk. I have to use the same example I already have time and time again. How would they feel if Islamabad was transformed into Harrogate? If we built churches, opened up Ann summers in huge shopping centres and men started parading topless in the street? They'd be appalled and rightly so!

Would I call them racist for it? No not all! I'd understand- it's just human nature.

[Leicesterdave]

anonymous said:

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Please re-read the comment I made at 08.58 this morning.

[Leicesterdave]

Colonial said:

It's ok, the "I'm not racist but..." poster above seems to think Salford/Walkden is an amazing location.

So, really, I think we can work out what he doesn't like about Bradford. And it's not that it is a poorer socioeconomic area.

Threads can be so frustrating! I have clearly mentioned that there are clearly TONS of 'white' areas in the UK equally stty. But the point time and time again that I am making that if the reverse happened in Pakistan, the Pakistani community wouldn't like it either. I don't know what the sodding word it but very clearly racism isn't it for god's sake!

[Leicesterdave]

Hard to believe it’s quite so dangerous?