RTC on my road, debris left everywhere
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Assumed this was the best place to post..
I live in a cul-de-sac of 2 streets just off a busy 30mph road. Over the weekend, Friday or Saturday night, there was a small crash where the two roads meet. I only have word of mouth details, but I heard it was a taxi and another car.
Anyway police attended, both cars left that night.
Left the house for work this morning, and returned this evening, and there is still debris all over the bell mouth of our road, and opposite, in the gutter of the main road, stuff like headlamp glass, indicator lense, loads of black plastic etc.
I'd like to know if it's standard procedure for police attending an RTC to just leave the accident site unsafe like this.. But more importantly, who is best to contact regarding this?
Should I contact local council initially or the local police station(s)?
I live in a cul-de-sac of 2 streets just off a busy 30mph road. Over the weekend, Friday or Saturday night, there was a small crash where the two roads meet. I only have word of mouth details, but I heard it was a taxi and another car.
Anyway police attended, both cars left that night.
Left the house for work this morning, and returned this evening, and there is still debris all over the bell mouth of our road, and opposite, in the gutter of the main road, stuff like headlamp glass, indicator lense, loads of black plastic etc.
I'd like to know if it's standard procedure for police attending an RTC to just leave the accident site unsafe like this.. But more importantly, who is best to contact regarding this?
Should I contact local council initially or the local police station(s)?
Well I got through to the council, eventually, the guy took the details and will try to send a sweeper.
I'd sweep it up if it wasn't on a busy road, but the council are already slacking in our area..
We've been asking them to clean the graffiti off the green boxes and fences, and sort the litter, dog mess, overgrown trees, broken glass etc from the alleyway at the end of our road, that's used everyday by the primary school kids and parents, for a year.
Not really jobs I think we should be doing?
I'd sweep it up if it wasn't on a busy road, but the council are already slacking in our area..
We've been asking them to clean the graffiti off the green boxes and fences, and sort the litter, dog mess, overgrown trees, broken glass etc from the alleyway at the end of our road, that's used everyday by the primary school kids and parents, for a year.
Not really jobs I think we should be doing?
I do sympathise that they're under financial constraints.
Ourselves and a couple other nearby neighbours do try to look after the street, but it's slowly going downhill.
Used to be the pensioners would be out every weekend sweeping and tidying up. They're gradually passing on, sadly, and being replaced by young couples / families that can't even tidy their own front gardens / drives, let alone the road opposite them.
Ourselves and a couple other nearby neighbours do try to look after the street, but it's slowly going downhill.
Used to be the pensioners would be out every weekend sweeping and tidying up. They're gradually passing on, sadly, and being replaced by young couples / families that can't even tidy their own front gardens / drives, let alone the road opposite them.
ColinM50 said:
As a town councillor I have a different p.o.v. Us councils are all under tremendous pressure to cut costs and our budgets and funding from central govt have been cut drastically. I'd have thought even you would have heard about this?
So I'd say do one of three things. Moan continually at and to your council and hope they get round to fixing whatever it is you're moaning about this week.
OR. Get you finger out and do it yourself. A brush for the glass, some paint for the graffiti, pick up the odd bit of litter.
OR Organise a local action group of like minded able bodied folk who can all get together one Saturday or Sunday morning and sort it out then a burger in the pub and build up a community spirit. Surprising what you could acheive
Our town is going to be organising a "clean for the Queen" event to celebrate HM's birthday on April 21. Maybe you could do something similar?
I said further up I understand the budget has been slashed, we're about to feel the hit as a result of big cuts from DfT..So I'd say do one of three things. Moan continually at and to your council and hope they get round to fixing whatever it is you're moaning about this week.
OR. Get you finger out and do it yourself. A brush for the glass, some paint for the graffiti, pick up the odd bit of litter.
OR Organise a local action group of like minded able bodied folk who can all get together one Saturday or Sunday morning and sort it out then a burger in the pub and build up a community spirit. Surprising what you could acheive
Our town is going to be organising a "clean for the Queen" event to celebrate HM's birthday on April 21. Maybe you could do something similar?
And there's no point saying 'pull your finger out' as if I and other residents do sod all. We do, but we all work full time jobs so while we do what we can, repainting lengths of fence, green boxes (that neither council, BT or Virgin will take any responsibility for), sweeping dog s
t, broken bottles, dozens of drinks cans, cutting metres of overgrown trees etc is out of scope..The fact is it's a lot of things, and we don't see anything done about it.
But some of it is third parties contributing to the work for both us and the council.. We had one of the water companies dig up about 15 metres of footpath before Christmas, when they packed up and left, they left behind sand, mud and gravel all over the path, road and the residents garden, he complained and was told they'd 'look into it'. In the end him and another chap got the jet wash and brushes out and cleaned it up.
Might sound petty but is it too much to ask to not have our street look like a tip?
If only there was a group of people, who have plenty of spare time, who are already funded by the tax payer, that could be sent out in supervised groups to clean up local areas and do a bit of good for a change..
loafer123 said:
My guess is that it would have taken you 5 minutes to sweep up and feel good about yourself.
Instead, you have spent half an hour phoning people, venting to strangers on the internet and winding yourself up.
In the light of the above, what do you think is the right choice?
Well as the above is inaccurate...Instead, you have spent half an hour phoning people, venting to strangers on the internet and winding yourself up.
In the light of the above, what do you think is the right choice?
I'd actually got through to the council before shortly after posting the thread as I got home in time to catch them.
I'm not going to stand in the gutter of a busy main road in the wind and rain sweeping.
My original query was why it was left there, it seemed odd that the incident was attended to, then everyone just buggered off and left the mess there for anyone to drive / ride / walk over.
Edited by smithyithy on Monday 8th February 21:07
Edited by smithyithy on Monday 8th February 21:08
speedyguy said:
Maybe the people creating the problem need re-education I'd start with spraying paint in their face, make litter droppers eat it, smear the dog ste on owners who poop and run when caught, ask the landowners to get a grip of their greenery (see the moany thread on that from last month about some blokes overgrown hedge) and making those who break bottles walk over it barefoot.
I'm right behind Colin on this the council don't create the st but you pay for it to be removed. There needs to be a lot more personal responsibility in this country and a huge kick up the arse for those letting the rest of us down.
Well, that's part of the greater issue.te on owners who poop and run when caught, ask the landowners to get a grip of their greenery (see the moany thread on that from last month about some blokes overgrown hedge) and making those who break bottles walk over it barefoot.I'm right behind Colin on this the council don't create the s
t but you pay for it to be removed. There needs to be a lot more personal responsibility in this country and a huge kick up the arse for those letting the rest of us down.I've lived here my whole life, my parents for 28 years.
It seems like year on year, it gets worse.
The primary school through the alley used to be great, me and my sister went there, it was clean and decent.. Now it's full of little buggers whose parents let them drink RedBull and discard the litter into people's gardens while parking their flashy crossovers across people's dropped kerbs.
Pensioners are replaced by scruffy young couples, local butchers and florists replaced by Nisa and OneStop.
It's a shame, and now I can hardly wait to relocate.
We don't have a local highways as such, the council has a traffic and roads department through their switchboard who took the info from me.
It's still all there, mostly in the gutter now but some glass still across the stop line of the junction, one of the cars number plates is on the path too, leaning against someone's front wall
If it's still there Saturday morning I'll go and clear it up, been working 7-5 so not had much time spare to be honest.
To give them some credit, the council have just patched a few potholed / sunken gullies locally that had fell apart after the snow we had.
It's still all there, mostly in the gutter now but some glass still across the stop line of the junction, one of the cars number plates is on the path too, leaning against someone's front wall
If it's still there Saturday morning I'll go and clear it up, been working 7-5 so not had much time spare to be honest.
To give them some credit, the council have just patched a few potholed / sunken gullies locally that had fell apart after the snow we had.
It's just the way the area has evolved over time really, in a street of about 50 houses, around 75% were pensioners when I was a kid, and when I went to the primary school through the alleyway it was quite small, parents would walk kids there and back.
Now the street is probably less than 25% pensioners and mostly young couples.
It's not like we scrounged off the efforts of the old folks when more of them were around, it's just the way the street was. My neighbor a couple of doors down (great family) used to do the gardening for 3-4 of the pensioners on the weekends, they've passed on, and now the gardens go untended because the new residents don't give a hoot.
Me and a lad from round the corner used to wash my neighbors car for him, he had a stroke and now there's a Severn Trent van parked on the footpath that hasn't been washed in 3 years it seems.
It's just things like that. Some of us do still try to make the effort but the 'community' as a whole has changed and most just don't care anymore, I feel my efforts of uniting them into doing some stuff with us would be wasted.
And it's not just the newer residents. The primary school is much, much busier than when I was a lad, and probably 90% of the parents drive there and back, using our street as a car park and dumping their energy drink cans and fag ends all over the alleyway.
So I guess I was wrong to blame the councils etc, it's as much a community responsibility. But when the community changes and no longer cares there's little we can do.
Now the street is probably less than 25% pensioners and mostly young couples.
It's not like we scrounged off the efforts of the old folks when more of them were around, it's just the way the street was. My neighbor a couple of doors down (great family) used to do the gardening for 3-4 of the pensioners on the weekends, they've passed on, and now the gardens go untended because the new residents don't give a hoot.
Me and a lad from round the corner used to wash my neighbors car for him, he had a stroke and now there's a Severn Trent van parked on the footpath that hasn't been washed in 3 years it seems.
It's just things like that. Some of us do still try to make the effort but the 'community' as a whole has changed and most just don't care anymore, I feel my efforts of uniting them into doing some stuff with us would be wasted.
And it's not just the newer residents. The primary school is much, much busier than when I was a lad, and probably 90% of the parents drive there and back, using our street as a car park and dumping their energy drink cans and fag ends all over the alleyway.
So I guess I was wrong to blame the councils etc, it's as much a community responsibility. But when the community changes and no longer cares there's little we can do.
Edited by smithyithy on Friday 12th February 08:33
I'm not trolling or thick you rude ahole.
I have said that myself and others in the street still do our part, but it is COUNTERED by others who make it harder for us, and the fact that those who were putting a lot of time towards it are being replaced by people that put zero time.
How am I part of what's wrong? You know nothing about me, you're making a snap judgement based on a few forum posts that IMO You've misinterpreted.
hole.I have said that myself and others in the street still do our part, but it is COUNTERED by others who make it harder for us, and the fact that those who were putting a lot of time towards it are being replaced by people that put zero time.
How am I part of what's wrong? You know nothing about me, you're making a snap judgement based on a few forum posts that IMO You've misinterpreted.
Who is blaming pensioners?
Jesus Christ you've got the wrong end of the stick
I DO MY PART, is that hard to comprehend? The issue I'm complaining about is things that aren't that easily rectified like broken glass in the middle of a busy main road, heaps of dog mess and graffiti on service equipment that we'd probably get fined for interfering with.
I never litter, I pick up my dogs mess, I'd never leave RTC anywhere. That is not being part of the generation you're describing.
Yes I can do more, and I will, but you're claiming I'm directly contributing to it by doing nothing.. Contributing to it would be letting my dog st at the entrance to a primary school, spray painting my name on the sign and shouting at pensioners for not cleaning it up for me.
There's no irony in it, as much as you seem determined to find. When the old folks did this sort of thing all the time, I was a nipper - school age. But they still made up the majority of the street. I'm now older and what I would consider a resident that can actively contribute but I and a few others are now a minority of people that seem bothered.
Jesus Christ you've got the wrong end of the stick
I DO MY PART, is that hard to comprehend? The issue I'm complaining about is things that aren't that easily rectified like broken glass in the middle of a busy main road, heaps of dog mess and graffiti on service equipment that we'd probably get fined for interfering with.
I never litter, I pick up my dogs mess, I'd never leave RTC anywhere. That is not being part of the generation you're describing.
Yes I can do more, and I will, but you're claiming I'm directly contributing to it by doing nothing.. Contributing to it would be letting my dog s
t at the entrance to a primary school, spray painting my name on the sign and shouting at pensioners for not cleaning it up for me.There's no irony in it, as much as you seem determined to find. When the old folks did this sort of thing all the time, I was a nipper - school age. But they still made up the majority of the street. I'm now older and what I would consider a resident that can actively contribute but I and a few others are now a minority of people that seem bothered.
Funnily enough, I do - but they're unrelated to this.
You seem incapable of accepting what I'm saying, instead preferring to force your own perception of me and this situation.
One last time, I will reiterate, I am not 'mememe'.
It used to be everyone did their part. Now, a majority proportion has been replaced by people who don't. While we still try, our efforts at are often in vein.
Can you understand that? I'm glad you live in an area where this isn't an issue, unfortunately I don't. I used to, but places and situations change. Schools expand and increase intake, people pass away and younger families replace them, this has had an overall negative effect to my street.
If it pleases the jury, next time I pick up my dogs st, I'll pick up another 3 that other people have left. That should make up the difference.
You seem incapable of accepting what I'm saying, instead preferring to force your own perception of me and this situation.
One last time, I will reiterate, I am not 'mememe'.
It used to be everyone did their part. Now, a majority proportion has been replaced by people who don't. While we still try, our efforts at are often in vein.
Can you understand that? I'm glad you live in an area where this isn't an issue, unfortunately I don't. I used to, but places and situations change. Schools expand and increase intake, people pass away and younger families replace them, this has had an overall negative effect to my street.
If it pleases the jury, next time I pick up my dogs s
t, I'll pick up another 3 that other people have left. That should make up the difference.It was actually the safety issue, not the task being 'menial'..
I would've assumed the pair of attending officers in hi-vis clothing and a marked up flashing light vehicle would be in a safer position to do it than myself. Likewise the council pothole crew that have been doing the rounds locally in their Transit pickup with beacons etc.
I stand on the side of high speed roads for my job, so I'm not above doing so, but I wouldn't do it without appropriate PPE etc.
I would've assumed the pair of attending officers in hi-vis clothing and a marked up flashing light vehicle would be in a safer position to do it than myself. Likewise the council pothole crew that have been doing the rounds locally in their Transit pickup with beacons etc.
I stand on the side of high speed roads for my job, so I'm not above doing so, but I wouldn't do it without appropriate PPE etc.
bobbo89 said:
So you do have the appropriate PPE?
When at work, I'm given the appropriate PPE with company branding and a suitable vehicle to work from yes.Look, the original question was - is it normal practise to leave debris at the scene of an accident. That's all I wanted to know.
When the guys from our depot attend something like like this, they generally have to make the site clean and safe for use - if they attended the scene and left debris in the road which then went on to cause another accident, we could be liable for that.
So my query was whether the police usually just leave it that way when they attend, or whether they get someone else to do it. I've seen police clear an area of an accident before so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Seems that the vehicles involved were sent on their way too, at least one of which is missing a front number plate, which seems odd.
That's all I wanted to know, this has gone off on a tangent now.
fatboy18 said:
As for the OPs attitude, very hard on forums to always put the wording right, he was merely asking a question on who would normally clear stuff up after a local RTA.
Well that's how I read it anyway
I don't find the OPs question or attitude deplorable at all.
Thanks. I think this is the case a lot of the time, it's not always easy to imply tone over the Internet, and things can be misinterpreted or misconstrued easily.Well that's how I read it anyway
I don't find the OPs question or attitude deplorable at all. I absolutely do not mean to come across as 'deplorable', nor to enter into arguments with people on a forum.
I'll just leave it at that.
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