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Okey, this isn't about firearms licensing, which I already know about.
I want to buy some guns. Maybe a .22 semi-auto and a .223 bolt action.
I also have two young children and the problem with my buy guns plan is that my wife has some strange idea that (a) guns are dangerous and (b) more specifically if I get get some guns, they are somehow just going to kill everybody in the house.
I'm not clear if the wife thinks the gun it going to take itself out of the gunsafe, for the ammo to take itself out of the other safe and for the gun to load itself and kill everybody, or if she thinks that I'm careless and I'll leave either the guns or the ammo or both laying around.
The latter is an odd thing to worry about, because I'm quite particular about guns and young children not mixing, unlike some of my 'Merkin relatives with whom we regularly stay with. On our last trip to the US, my wife was quite happy to stay in my cousins house with a rifle, a shotgun and two handguns left in a bag on the floor of the spare lounge room with the ammo in that same bag (being in the US with a house the size of a typical London suburb, there were two lounge rooms, one of which was little used). There was also another handgun somewhere in the house, but nobody could remember where it was.
The wife is also quite ok about me going out shooting by myself (with other people's guns obv since I can't have any in the house because they will kill everybody) and she also seems happy with my cousins taking their children out shooting and she seems happy with me, my cousins and their children going out shooting.
Any ideas about convincing the wife?
I want to buy some guns. Maybe a .22 semi-auto and a .223 bolt action.
I also have two young children and the problem with my buy guns plan is that my wife has some strange idea that (a) guns are dangerous and (b) more specifically if I get get some guns, they are somehow just going to kill everybody in the house.
I'm not clear if the wife thinks the gun it going to take itself out of the gunsafe, for the ammo to take itself out of the other safe and for the gun to load itself and kill everybody, or if she thinks that I'm careless and I'll leave either the guns or the ammo or both laying around.
The latter is an odd thing to worry about, because I'm quite particular about guns and young children not mixing, unlike some of my 'Merkin relatives with whom we regularly stay with. On our last trip to the US, my wife was quite happy to stay in my cousins house with a rifle, a shotgun and two handguns left in a bag on the floor of the spare lounge room with the ammo in that same bag (being in the US with a house the size of a typical London suburb, there were two lounge rooms, one of which was little used). There was also another handgun somewhere in the house, but nobody could remember where it was.
The wife is also quite ok about me going out shooting by myself (with other people's guns obv since I can't have any in the house because they will kill everybody) and she also seems happy with my cousins taking their children out shooting and she seems happy with me, my cousins and their children going out shooting.
Any ideas about convincing the wife?
NinjaPower said:
A couple of my friends have gone through the 'not allowed' to have motorbike/guns/sportscar/etc debacle. Yet the rest of us seem to manage to make our own decisions on such matters without the other half having to give permission.
What would happen if you just went out and purchased said guns?
I've bought a motorbike when she has been on holiday before. What would happen if you just went out and purchased said guns?
But the police don't need to come to your house to inspect your bike shed. The police do come to your house to inspect your gun safe. The house is shared, so things that go inside go inside by mutual agreement, whereas bikes (which are ok anyway in my case) are outside the house.
NNK said:
Remington 597 .22 semi auto, mine has a fully suppressed barrel so v quiet with subsonics.
For a 223 ? Tikka, Ruger , Browning ?
I sold my Browning 243 last year and bought a Browning BAR 308 semi, unfortunately I have yet to fire it.
Not sure what I'll get (subject to Mrs Puff approval of course....). I have quite limited experience with bolt action .223s as overseas I usually shoot the AR-15 platform. I like the look at the .223 versions of "Scout" rifles eg the Ruger Gunsite Scout or the Mossberg MVP scout, but that just the look I like, as I said my experience with bolt action centrefires is pretty low. I like .223s more than .308s as the ammo is cheaper For a 223 ? Tikka, Ruger , Browning ?
I sold my Browning 243 last year and bought a Browning BAR 308 semi, unfortunately I have yet to fire it.
Edited by creampuff on Monday 18th April 09:56
^ Targets. I can't shoot .223 or other centre fire at the local home club, so to use the .223 I'd have to go to the home club, get the gun, go to the other affiliated club with a bigger range, go back to the home club, put the gun back there, make sure the home club is actually open when all that happens etc etc. Plus owning guns but having to store them somewhere else just seems a bit weird.
Edited by creampuff on Monday 18th April 11:54
DonkeyApple said:
pretend military weaponry are not people in comfortable being around. I wouldn't ever want us to move towards the American epidemic of pretend soldiering.
I assume you mean AR-15s.... the most popular rifle in the US and not an unusual sight at rifle clubs chambered in .22LR in the UK.I would have thought AR-15s are popular because they are modular so you can add bits you like and take away bits you don't like, because it is easy to put a scope on it while still having fully functional iron sights, because the ammunition they fire is relatively low cost, because you can easily change the stock length, because they are quite reliable, because it is easy to buy spare parts, because .223 bullets follow flat trajectories so are easy to shoot, because they have low recoil etc etc.
Seems like quite practical reasons to be a popular rifle. It's no different to any other semi-automatic rifle... is it just pretend military because it's not made of wood?
Edited by creampuff on Tuesday 19th April 21:54
^ You did prone or bench rest shooting right? So you are looking for the last half MOA of accuracy and have as long as you like to make a follow up shot? And you like bolt action rifles (with lots of wood)?
Most people aren't interested in that level of accuracy, nor do they need it. They want something which is quite accurate, quite reliable and not too expensive because shooting is a hobby, not their job. So an AR-15 suits that quite well. You are really saying that your particular type of shooting is OK and everyone who wants to do something different is a nut case. Your comments about ultimate levels of accuracy apply to any semi-automatic in the same price range of an AR-15, which is most of them. If someone buys a semi-automatic with lots of wood which looks like a traditional bolt action rifle is that OK and the problem with an AR-15 is it looks "military"? Or you just don't like semi-automatic rifles in general?
Most people aren't interested in that level of accuracy, nor do they need it. They want something which is quite accurate, quite reliable and not too expensive because shooting is a hobby, not their job. So an AR-15 suits that quite well. You are really saying that your particular type of shooting is OK and everyone who wants to do something different is a nut case. Your comments about ultimate levels of accuracy apply to any semi-automatic in the same price range of an AR-15, which is most of them. If someone buys a semi-automatic with lots of wood which looks like a traditional bolt action rifle is that OK and the problem with an AR-15 is it looks "military"? Or you just don't like semi-automatic rifles in general?
DonkeyApple said:
AR-15 style weapons are compromised for every discipline because they are designed for a completely different purpose which is basically a squaddie laying down oppressive fire. Not a typical sporting discipline.
Mmm, it seems to me an AR-15 is a versatile modular rifle, which is quite good at everything (though I have no interest in hunting, so wouldn't know what makes a good hunting rifle). Infact since it is modular, you can make it very very good at whatever you want except perhaps achieving ultimate accuracy at 1,200 yards, but then who does that. If you want to do a typical weekend shooting activity, which might be shooting a target with a rifle with iron sights at 100 yards, then an AR-15 will be no less accurate than some friendly safe bolt-action rifle with plenty of wood which is presumably purchased by people with no wannabe soldier complex. Do you think the same of other semi-automatic rifles that you think about AR-15s?5ohmustang said:
I think you can have a .22lr in the uk, so immiediately I would use a ruger 10/22. Mine has never let me down, no recoil, very quiet with a sub sonic round and supressor (which I bet is illegal in the UK). My wife loves the 10/22 as it is so light and has nexy to no recoil.
Haha, that's one of the backward things about the UK. A .22 semi-auto with 100 round drum magazine and supressor is completely legal 
That's my dream to move to some big country with lots of room and be able to shoot off the back porch
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