Well I think I will turn Vegan!

[fishseller]

Hi after getting persuaded by my daughter to turn vegan I reluctantly watched a couple of videos and I was shocked as how cruel the dairy and meat industries are, now I am not preaching here but from a man who loves his meat like I love my MEAT from 4 egg omelet plus sausages bacon etc. breakfast plus a whole chicken or a couple of tins of tuna for lunch and dinner well enough said.

I am just starting on this journey and it will be a tricky one . we are told from a very young age that meat and dairy are good for a healthy life but we are not built to eat or consume animal products. here is informative videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XP79o8gqQ

they are sad to watch but very inspiring and informative.

But the main point here is to meet and discuss vegetarianism and vegan-ism with like minded folk are you out there?

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R8Steve said:

Rollin said:

fishseller said:

Hi after getting persuaded by my daughter to turn vegan I reluctantly watched a couple of videos and I was shocked as how cruel the dairy and meat industries are, now I am not preaching here but from a man who loves his meat like I love my MEAT from 4 egg omelet plus sausages bacon etc. breakfast plus a whole chicken or a couple of tins of tuna for lunch and dinner well enough said.

I am just starting on this journey and it will be a tricky one . we are told from a very young age that meat and dairy are good for a healthy life but we are not built to eat or consume animal products. here is informative videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XP79o8gqQ

they are sad to watch but very inspiring and informative.

But the main point here is to meet and discuss vegetarianism and vegan-ism with like minded folk are you out there?

Bullst.

+1

The vegan fishseller

Ha Ha! I know Fishseller very well thought out and I sell live shrimps fish food for a living !!

Edited by fishseller on Monday 29th August 15:38

Edited by fishseller on Monday 29th August 15:39

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Rollin said:

fishseller said:

Hi after getting persuaded by my daughter to turn vegan I reluctantly watched a couple of videos and I was shocked as how cruel the dairy and meat industries are, now I am not preaching here but from a man who loves his meat like I love my MEAT from 4 egg omelet plus sausages bacon etc. breakfast plus a whole chicken or a couple of tins of tuna for lunch and dinner well enough said.

I am just starting on this journey and it will be a tricky one . we are told from a very young age that meat and dairy are good for a healthy life but we are not built to eat or consume animal products. here is informative videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XP79o8gqQ

they are sad to watch but very inspiring and informative.

But the main point here is to meet and discuss vegetarianism and vegan-ism with like minded folk are you out there?

Bullst.

what's the bullst bit ?

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R8Steve said:

fishseller said:

R8Steve said:

Rollin said:

fishseller said:

Hi after getting persuaded by my daughter to turn vegan I reluctantly watched a couple of videos and I was shocked as how cruel the dairy and meat industries are, now I am not preaching here but from a man who loves his meat like I love my MEAT from 4 egg omelet plus sausages bacon etc. breakfast plus a whole chicken or a couple of tins of tuna for lunch and dinner well enough said.

I am just starting on this journey and it will be a tricky one . we are told from a very young age that meat and dairy are good for a healthy life but we are not built to eat or consume animal products. here is informative videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XP79o8gqQ

they are sad to watch but very inspiring and informative.

But the main point here is to meet and discuss vegetarianism and vegan-ism with like minded folk are you out there?

Bullst.

+1

The vegan fishseller

Ha Ha! I know Fishseller very well thought out and I sell live shrimps fish food for a living !!

Oh, i see, i suppose i can see how selling a living creature for the sole purpose of being eaten alive fits in with your new found vegan beliefs

Hmm yes quite right but you see a predatory fish natural instinct is to eat a live animal be it daphnia worms shrimps etc. (same as a tiger or lion it has canine teeth a very small intestine and claws) but we are not give a 1 year old child a live rabbit will he rip it a part and eat it raw or play with it ? its all learnt behaviour promoted by the meat and dairy industries for big profits

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Orchid1 said:

As I said I am not preaching just a mature discussion

ps the thin looks better than the fat ::

Edited by fishseller on Monday 29th August 16:17

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Orchid1 said:

fishseller said:

As I said I am not preaching just a mature discussion :]

I know I just couldn't resist soz

lol don't worry I haven't turned militant yet

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craigjm said:

Dont forget as a vegan then you will be removing all animal products from your life. Are you going to be throwing away your leather shoes? changing your car? changing your toothpaste? your washing powder? There are millions of products that you would not think contain animal products that suddenly should be off your list.

no its a toe dip in the water vegetarianism first like I said "I Think I will turn Vegan"

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Heads up who's a veggie or vegan here ?

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craigjm said:

fishseller said:

no its a toe dip in the water vegetarianism first like I said "I Think I will turn Vegan"

even as a vegetarian lots of cheese is off the menu, some bread products (especially bread rolls), lots of beer and wine....

BEER NOOooooooo

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br d said:

Been a veggie for 32 years. Couldn't be vegan, I just don't eat enough of the stuff that makes up a vegan diet, without dairy I would have stopped bothering years ago.

Budweiser used to contain renet but it doesn't now.

I've been strict veggie for most of my life but if beer ever gets ruled out then frankly I'll lapse. I've deliberately avoided contributing to unnecessary cruelty in all that time but you stop me drinking beer and I might as well top meself. Not not much point in having a principle that stops you living, that's reserved for the religious idiots.

I agree live is for living but animals have that right to

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WinstonWolf said:

fishseller said:

Hi after getting persuaded by my daughter to turn vegan I reluctantly watched a couple of videos and I was shocked as how cruel the dairy and meat industries are, now I am not preaching here but from a man who loves his meat like I love my MEAT from 4 egg omelet plus sausages bacon etc. breakfast plus a whole chicken or a couple of tins of tuna for lunch and dinner well enough said.

I am just starting on this journey and it will be a tricky one . we are told from a very young age that meat and dairy are good for a healthy life but we are not built to eat or consume animal products. here is informative videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XP79o8gqQ

they are sad to watch but very inspiring and informative.

But the main point here is to meet and discuss vegetarianism and vegan-ism with like minded folk are you out there?

If God hadn't meant us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them taste so good

We're omnivores, just look at your teeth...

yes indeed our teeth are designed to grind and rotate side to side to grind down plant based foods the 2 canines are there to to take flesh of nuts seeds oranges etc. not meat.
Meat eaters have very big canines and cannot grind food only chomp lumps of flesh and swallow and are happy to eat raw meat.

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AlexC1981 said:

WinstonWolf said:

If God hadn't meant us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them taste so good

We're omnivores, just look at your teeth...

Our eyes too. They face forward like most carnivores so we can judge distances better when hunting prey. Prey animals have eyes on the sides of their heads for better visibility of what might be creeping up on them.

Having said that, I think that vegetarianism/veganism is something to aspire to for ethical reasons.

On the preying bit! So how would you instinctively without a gun or knife catch and kill your prey and rip the skin from the meat inside tear from the bones and consume without cooking? were not designed for that but a cat is ?

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Trabi601 said:

fishseller said:

yes indeed our teeth are designed to grind and rotate side to side to grind down plant based foods the 2 canines are there to to take flesh of nuts seeds oranges etc. not meat.
Meat eaters have very big canines and cannot grind food only chomp lumps of flesh and swallow and are happy to eat raw meat.

There are many meats I'm happy to eat as raw as the chef will allow!

are you Missing the Point?

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Trabi601 said:

Phil. said:

I get it. You want to eat meat because you don't have to kill it and it tastes nice. You are happy to ignore all the facts associated with animal welfare and poor human health, never mind the negative impact of the animal industry on global resources. You are in the majority. Enjoy.

I'm more interested in avoiding bowel and prostate cancer, heart disease and living a more authentic lifestyle for longer. Each to their own.

I'm more interested in living a life I enjoy, doing the things I enjoy, which include eating quality meat products.

There's no way you could persuade me that it's worth giving up stuff I really enjoy just so I can spend a few more years wondering if I'd pissed myself last time I coughed.

Its not just about your needs if you have owned say a Dog and got close you will find they have emotions, thoughts, feelings, empathy, trust they rely on you for guidance (pack leader instincts) you are their world so could you kill gut skin and eat that dog ? its the same as a cow or any other animal none are dumb they also has feelings they think have love and empathy for its fellows they will trust those who look after them feed them and then we kill them not always humanly especially kosher or halal ? don't taste so good now ?

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bigkeeko said:

fishseller said:

the 2 canines are there to to take flesh of nuts seeds oranges etc. not meat.

Then why do we like it and eat it? Surely 99% of us can't be wrong.

from a very young age we are conditioned to drink your milk as its good for your bones(Its takes calcium from your bones) and eat your meat and veg so we assume this is normal through our lives its all rubbish Google the facts BTW drinking milk from another species that is designed to fatten up a calf very quickly is going to cause a human problems in the future


"The body is designed for survival, so it sacrifices bone density to protect the kidneys and urinary tract because the latter are essential to survival. And the most readily available source of acid neutralizer is in the bones. So even though milk contains calcium, it ends up sapping your bones of that crucial mineral"

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wiggy001 said:

of course spread the message

David Haye became vegan.[48] He also launched his own range of vegan protein.[49] David gave up eating animal products at the beginning of 2014 and was immediately open about his reasons for doing so. "I watched a TV documentary about how animals are farmed, killed and prepared for us to eat", he explained. "I saw all those cows and pigs and realised I couldn’t be a part of it any more. It was horrible. I did some research to make sure I could still obtain enough protein to fight and, once satisfied that I could, I stopped. I’ll never go back." Plus Arnold Schwarzenegger: Stop eating meat and save the planet

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35038053/arn...

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ReallyReallyGood said:

fishseller said:

"The body is designed for survival, so it sacrifices bone density to protect the kidneys and urinary tract because the latter are essential to survival. And the most readily available source of acid neutralizer is in the bones. So even though milk contains calcium, it ends up sapping your bones of that crucial mineral"

Don't you find it at all suspicious that the website that quote comes from (saveourbones.com) is basically a front for selling a diet program?

Ok try this one
http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/calcium-a...

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motco said:

fishseller said:

br d said:

Been a veggie for 32 years. Couldn't be vegan, I just don't eat enough of the stuff that makes up a vegan diet, without dairy I would have stopped bothering years ago.

Budweiser used to contain renet but it doesn't now.

I've been strict veggie for most of my life but if beer ever gets ruled out then frankly I'll lapse. I've deliberately avoided contributing to unnecessary cruelty in all that time but you stop me drinking beer and I might as well top meself. Not not much point in having a principle that stops you living, that's reserved for the religious idiots.

I agree live is for living but animals have that right to

I formed my philosophy as a young boy: if animals I eat weren't bred for food they wouldn't be alive at all!

You have a point you probably would see cattle or pigs or sheep on farms if we didn't eat them!

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Trabi601 said:

fishseller said:

from a very young age we are conditioned to drink your milk as its good for your bones(Its takes calcium from your bones) and eat your meat and veg so we assume this is normal through our lives its all rubbish Google the facts BTW drinking milk from another species that is designed to fatten up a calf very quickly is going to cause a human problems in the future


"The body is designed for survival, so it sacrifices bone density to protect the kidneys and urinary tract because the latter are essential to survival. And the most readily available source of acid neutralizer is in the bones. So even though milk contains calcium, it ends up sapping your bones of that crucial mineral"

You're either a troll, a brainwashed, cult-following idiot, or this is an elaborate way into advertising something.

Whoa! care full with the slander! I am a 50 year old man who has eaten meat all my life until last month my precious daughter showed me a copy of films that shocked and upset me nearly made me cry (16 stone ex boxer) as to the treatment of animals I couldn't believe that man kind has become this cruel against animals (if I had my way I would cull a few more humans lol) so I am just sharing what I am learning not trolling its up to people to make their own choices I have!! I was totally naive what was going on until now so I have made a choice I will not preach just inform ta!

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227bhp said:

fishseller said:

bigkeeko said:

fishseller said:

the 2 canines are there to to take flesh of nuts seeds oranges etc. not meat.

Then why do we like it and eat it? Surely 99% of us can't be wrong.

from a very young age we are conditioned to drink your milk as its good for your bones(Its takes calcium from your bones) and eat your meat and veg so we assume this is normal through our lives its all rubbish Google the facts BTW drinking milk from another species that is designed to fatten up a calf very quickly is going to cause a human problems in the future


"The body is designed for survival, so it sacrifices bone density to protect the kidneys and urinary tract because the latter are essential to survival. And the most readily available source of acid neutralizer is in the bones. So even though milk contains calcium, it ends up sapping your bones of that crucial mineral"

That's incorrect, our bodies are designed for a diet of meat, veg and fruit. It's bread type products and excessive amounts of added in sugar, fats, chemicals, alcohol that we aren't really supposed to consume, that's why there are so many overweight people around.

When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat. Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm