Paranormal experiences
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Derek Smith said:
Our friend, the female, began to obsess over it, going to a medium and a seance. She reported other things happening, such as cupboard doors opening with no one else in the room, this was the kitchen on the mezzanine. We didn't see that and the bloke took me out for a long chat over a meal, his thoughts being that his wife was hallucinating. He exerted pressure to see a psychiatrist, and she came to see my fiancee for help. Then something happened where he experienced something scary. Instead of bringing them together, it broke them. They split just after my wedding and just disappeared. None of our old friends heard from them.
We went to the house and saw my friend's mother. She was high up in the civil service, just about to retire, but was a bit weird. She told stories that were fantastical and we decided to leave well along. She said that her mother had been ill-treated when in the room and had 'impregnated' the house with her pain. We decided not to return. My wife felt a bit nervous around her, so that meant two of us.
We both heard the noises. We chatted about them afterwards and my then fiancee told me to write down what I heard and she would do the same. They were more or less identical.
Our female friend was rich, well rich for a bloke born between the gas works and a British Oxygen plant in east London, albeit in a house. I did wonder if that was relevant. She was an electronics engineer, and did a lot of computer programming and such.
The coincidence: my father was going to be christened, this during WWI. As everyone was getting ready, a bloke from the merchant navy came to the house to tell my gran that she might receive a telegram to say that her eldest boy's ship had been torpedoed but not to worry as he'd been picked up by a RN ship. His condition was unknown but he must have been well enough to give his name and NoK. So they added the name of the ship which had rescued the chap to my dad's name.
Unknown to everyone at the christening, earlier that morning the ship had also been sunk, with just six survivors, none of whom was my uncle.
My elder brother was given the name of the ship, after my dad.
Fast forward to the storm in October 1987. My youngest was born and as my father had died since our last child, I named him after the ship that took my uncle to the bottom.
The telephone lines to my brother were down due to the storm and I couldn't contact him for two days. When I got through, my sister in law answered and I told her of her new nephew. I then told her what name I was giving him, and was going to explain it was after my dad rather than her husband, but she sort of screamed and dropped the phone.
Eventually my brother came to the phone to explain.
The pair of them had been helping those who'd suffered damage during the storm, particularly an old people's home nearby. It was in a lot of the news programmes as a corner of the roof had lifted off. She was helping one old boy with the damage, he wanting to ensure his pictures of his service in the RN were safe. My s-i-l told him that her husband's family on his father's side had almost all been in the navy or merchant marine and told her the story of the genesis of her husband's name.
The poor old boy nearly had a heart attack as he was the sole surviving survivor of the ship. He couldn't remember much about the rescue but obviously remembered the sinking. Straight back from that coincidence, still shaking a bit, I come on the phone.
Nothing ghostly of course, but notable. However, this followed on from another and more remarkable coincidence the day of my father's death, too personal to put on here. It was all but impossible to believe, but it happened. I thought I must have been hallucinating, I loved my old man and his death really got to me. However, once I had convinced myself I'd dreamed it all, my cousin brought it up at the funeral, saying that he could hardly believe it had happened and wanted me to confirm it to his mrs as she didn't believe him.
Now that was spooky. Not ghostly, but really, really odd.
I went years before actually 'admitting' I'd experienced the ghostly happenings with the noise on the stairs. I'd almost pushed it out of my mind - not the most sensible response I know. My wife though had told a friend of hers in strictest confidence, and you know how some women treat those. At a little get-together it was mentioned and two people in the group of 8 or so had also heard things, one seeing a hairbrush move without any force on it after hearing what she thought was a person dragging a chair across the room she was in, again on bare floorboards, but there being a carpet.
I read a lot on group hallucinations and there does seem to be something that can be transferred between people, especially, it seems, in a group. But there's a lot of books written by the terminally bewildered and it started to get silly. I'm unaware of any university researching such happenings so I'll never know if that's what occurred. Nothing about brushes though.
Thanks for the response Derek, and for being one of the few non-believing, non-We went to the house and saw my friend's mother. She was high up in the civil service, just about to retire, but was a bit weird. She told stories that were fantastical and we decided to leave well along. She said that her mother had been ill-treated when in the room and had 'impregnated' the house with her pain. We decided not to return. My wife felt a bit nervous around her, so that meant two of us.
We both heard the noises. We chatted about them afterwards and my then fiancee told me to write down what I heard and she would do the same. They were more or less identical.
Our female friend was rich, well rich for a bloke born between the gas works and a British Oxygen plant in east London, albeit in a house. I did wonder if that was relevant. She was an electronics engineer, and did a lot of computer programming and such.
The coincidence: my father was going to be christened, this during WWI. As everyone was getting ready, a bloke from the merchant navy came to the house to tell my gran that she might receive a telegram to say that her eldest boy's ship had been torpedoed but not to worry as he'd been picked up by a RN ship. His condition was unknown but he must have been well enough to give his name and NoK. So they added the name of the ship which had rescued the chap to my dad's name.
Unknown to everyone at the christening, earlier that morning the ship had also been sunk, with just six survivors, none of whom was my uncle.
My elder brother was given the name of the ship, after my dad.
Fast forward to the storm in October 1987. My youngest was born and as my father had died since our last child, I named him after the ship that took my uncle to the bottom.
The telephone lines to my brother were down due to the storm and I couldn't contact him for two days. When I got through, my sister in law answered and I told her of her new nephew. I then told her what name I was giving him, and was going to explain it was after my dad rather than her husband, but she sort of screamed and dropped the phone.
Eventually my brother came to the phone to explain.
The pair of them had been helping those who'd suffered damage during the storm, particularly an old people's home nearby. It was in a lot of the news programmes as a corner of the roof had lifted off. She was helping one old boy with the damage, he wanting to ensure his pictures of his service in the RN were safe. My s-i-l told him that her husband's family on his father's side had almost all been in the navy or merchant marine and told her the story of the genesis of her husband's name.
The poor old boy nearly had a heart attack as he was the sole surviving survivor of the ship. He couldn't remember much about the rescue but obviously remembered the sinking. Straight back from that coincidence, still shaking a bit, I come on the phone.
Nothing ghostly of course, but notable. However, this followed on from another and more remarkable coincidence the day of my father's death, too personal to put on here. It was all but impossible to believe, but it happened. I thought I must have been hallucinating, I loved my old man and his death really got to me. However, once I had convinced myself I'd dreamed it all, my cousin brought it up at the funeral, saying that he could hardly believe it had happened and wanted me to confirm it to his mrs as she didn't believe him.
Now that was spooky. Not ghostly, but really, really odd.
I went years before actually 'admitting' I'd experienced the ghostly happenings with the noise on the stairs. I'd almost pushed it out of my mind - not the most sensible response I know. My wife though had told a friend of hers in strictest confidence, and you know how some women treat those. At a little get-together it was mentioned and two people in the group of 8 or so had also heard things, one seeing a hairbrush move without any force on it after hearing what she thought was a person dragging a chair across the room she was in, again on bare floorboards, but there being a carpet.
I read a lot on group hallucinations and there does seem to be something that can be transferred between people, especially, it seems, in a group. But there's a lot of books written by the terminally bewildered and it started to get silly. I'm unaware of any university researching such happenings so I'll never know if that's what occurred. Nothing about brushes though.
s on here. 
Still not solved my puzzle, but I am hearing some interesting stories.
Speed addicted said:
Given that the OP has been on here for 7 years and has over 30k posts I'd expect them to know exactly how a thread like this would go. Same as all the other ones!
If you just want to talk about one thing that's controversial without people questioning your views this is not the site for it. Same for keeping a thread on topic for more than one page.
Sadly, true I guess. I was hoping against type, but the usual suspects happened got it moved etc.If you just want to talk about one thing that's controversial without people questioning your views this is not the site for it. Same for keeping a thread on topic for more than one page.
Oh well we live and learn the next time I need to make some sense of something.
Edited by Halb on Wednesday 7th December 17:58
Einion Yrth said:
I was one of the ones who petitioned to have it moved, and given that as soon as anyone so much as mentions science the more vocal believers tell them to push off I believe I was right to do so.
Possibly so considering the stuff posted by the more vocal 'non-believers'.Einion Yrth said:
Halb said:
Einion Yrth said:
I was one of the ones who petitioned to have it moved, and given that as soon as anyone so much as mentions science the more vocal believers tell them to push off I believe I was right to do so.
Possibly so considering the stuff posted by the more vocal 'non-believers'.
The original reason I started this thread.
I have had a bit of an update, but still not spoken wit the person who was talked to by a deceased person.
My friend told me the person who was talked at by the member of the ex-vital said something long the lines of, 'you won't believe this, I don't, I think it's all bullst, but person X has just spoke to me.' It shook him up so bad he cancelled his plans for the rest of the day.
I have had a bit of an update, but still not spoken wit the person who was talked to by a deceased person.
My friend told me the person who was talked at by the member of the ex-vital said something long the lines of, 'you won't believe this, I don't, I think it's all bulls
t, but person X has just spoke to me.' It shook him up so bad he cancelled his plans for the rest of the day.V6Pushfit said:
At the risk of repetition myself, there's so much we don't understand or has been lost over the centuries.
I know some cultures accept it as you indeed confirm, and they possibly don't fully understand but at least accept. I was in Nepal (or at least Sikkim nearby) myself and one of the party was injured and saw a local man - I would use the word Shamen but not too sure wether that's correct. He identified what was wrong by looking at her and resolved the problem without leaving his sitting position. She recovered immediately and he went on to deal with a long term pre existing issue she had for 6 years, again without leaving his mat and she hasn't had a recurrence in the 8 years since.
Science doesn't touch all of this and would be lost with it. The locals just accept that this chap has powers. I think we have been dulled by modern life here and your average grunt with no understanding beyond his local Aldi and chip shop has no idea of what is actually still out there in the world and probably scared by it.
As far as I can see it's genetic, although one of my neighbours sons is able to see and hear things etc if he tries hard he found it difficult when it first started happening but he suppresses it and there's no known family history there.
The power of self-thermoregulation has been known to monks in Tibet for centuries if not millennia. I raised it in a health thread, the usual balloons spoke out, but their ability to manually override certain automatic controls of the human body cannot be disputed, a Dutch bloke called Wim Hof is managing to get a breathing technique popular in the west which seems based on the breathing technique that the monks use.I know some cultures accept it as you indeed confirm, and they possibly don't fully understand but at least accept. I was in Nepal (or at least Sikkim nearby) myself and one of the party was injured and saw a local man - I would use the word Shamen but not too sure wether that's correct. He identified what was wrong by looking at her and resolved the problem without leaving his sitting position. She recovered immediately and he went on to deal with a long term pre existing issue she had for 6 years, again without leaving his mat and she hasn't had a recurrence in the 8 years since.
Science doesn't touch all of this and would be lost with it. The locals just accept that this chap has powers. I think we have been dulled by modern life here and your average grunt with no understanding beyond his local Aldi and chip shop has no idea of what is actually still out there in the world and probably scared by it.
As far as I can see it's genetic, although one of my neighbours sons is able to see and hear things etc if he tries hard he found it difficult when it first started happening but he suppresses it and there's no known family history there.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Thursday 8th December 18:14
He has achieved and gotten others to achieve remarkable things with it.
http://www.wimhofmethod.com/
boobles said:
I was always led to believe that the things we call"paranormal" like thinking we saw a ghost is probably people who have died tragically or unexpected! They are supposed to be "lost" if you like....
SO many theories. Possibly many dimensions.I think I am sort of on board with our consciousness/self/us being our electrical signals, and when the electrical signals die due to brain death, that goes away. Doesn't exist.
But I have read various books on dimensions, zero point energy, all manner of things that are cutting edge, or beyond cutting edge, or interesting things on quantum theories....and then my own personal experience happens, and I look for similar and come across many many similar things.
Even though I didn't think ghosts as beings in their own right existed, I did sort of subscribe to the 'certain actions embedded on time-space like vinyl' sort of idea. Because who knows how stuff works at the quark/flavour level. But recently now, who knows. I'll just keep reading and listening. To people worth listening to anyway.
V6Pushfit said:
There's a huge number of people that have experienced something or other. They would undoubtedly have been cynical up to that point until the 'oh st' event. The difference is before that, being normal, they wouldn't have run around calling everybody a liar. I was the same until about 35. If the no sayers ask around it's highly likely they will find they know someone who can tell them first hand.
Pretty much what happened a few weeks ago.t' event. The difference is before that, being normal, they wouldn't have run around calling everybody a liar. I was the same until about 35. If the no sayers ask around it's highly likely they will find they know someone who can tell them first hand. Something I would not have thought possible, now has happened. Nothing to do with tricking senses, something else.
Baz Tench said:
Halb, how come nobody is having a pop at you here?
I think I can probably guess why if you originally posted this in the science section.
I'm just curious?
I don't know. I don't tend to engage with the fI think I can probably guess why if you originally posted this in the science section.
I'm just curious?
kwits, and usually only respond to those that merit response. I did post what happened in the sense of scientific enquiry back at the start, but then once I saw how the fkwits were turning the thread (as one poster wisely pronostigated, I should have known! ) and it's movement, I deleted them. Though I am still happy to come here and read the genuine posts of the likes of Derek et al.V6Pushfit said:
One assumption + another = a random unfounded open question.
That's science is it?
Pretty much, or what passes for it round here, democracy is science. That's science is it?
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