Gun Pawn - Warning - Lots of Pictures - as requested

[ErnestM]

Per a few PH requests. The ErnestM Armoury (Ltd)

I apoligise for the bad long gun shots but it was getting late in the day and I was losing the light. I shall retake them in the near future.

First Up - The Walthers

Walther P22 - in .22 calibre (used for plinking, etc)


Walther PK380 - .380 (9mm kurtz) this is a "First Edition" (#278) and collectible


Walther PPK - .380 (9mm kurtz) The venerable Bond gun. This is an older imported one. S&W still make them in the States. Shown with the ankle holster I used to carry it in.


Walther PPS - 9mm - This is the one they should have given to New Bond. This is my "winter carry". Features 6 round, 7 round or 8 round mags (the 6 round is in it)


Walther P99 - 9mm (15 round mags) This one is a special edition for the year 2000. It is worth 4 times what I paid for it. It came with a nice vhs tape about the history of Walther. I don't shoot it much. Same gun they had Craig use in Casino Royale (except not the special edition).


Twins

I currently carry the Kahr P380 (.380-9mm kurtz, 6 rounds+1). Mine is the one on the right. The one on the left (yes the pink one ) is Mrs ErnestM's. Both carry the Winchester Ranger ammo (which is simply black talon with out the bad press)


FN Five-seveN

Five-seveN in 5.7x28mm. I pulled a round out of the mag so that you can see it. A very unique weapon. Recoil is nominal. Each mag contains 20 rounds (60 in the pic) The small box like thing on the right is a green laser for the front rail. I also have two 30 round mags for it. Shown near it's blackhawk SERPA paddle holster.


Next up, I AM Castor Troy

Two 1911's from Springfield Armoury. The one on the left is a 9mm "loaded" model (the inserted mag is from Wilson Combat) The one on the right is the .45 ACP "mil-spec". Everything is GI except for a match barrel and a few other odds and ends.


Outside of the two Galco holsters


Do you know what the next one is? I'll display it in real time (that was a hint)





It's the Jack Bauer gun, the HK USP Compact (and incidently, that is an Aker holster, also of the type used by Bauer) This 9mm 13+1 round gun does home protection duty for Chez ErnestM (too fat for concealed carry most months in Florida). It is available next to 2 additional 13 round mags, a surefire flashlight and an alarm trip switch. If you didn't guess what it was prior to reading this, please subtract two "bloke" points and turn in your testosterone as you leave...

The ubiquitous Glock

I think "the law" states that every gun collection should have one. This is a Glock 17. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Shown with it's +2 magazine, so that will be 19 in the mag and one in the pipe. This is a 1st gen and one of the first ones sold in the US (only the 3rd firearm I ever purchased) I don't shoot it much any more. Used to be the "home defense" gun before the HK USPc took over.


Mrs ErnestM, part deux

The Mrs' first firearm. Taurus model 24/7 pro compact (in pink, nach). Featured the following safetys, mag disconnect, de-cocker, manual safety (I was taking no chances) 9mm, 10 round. Small, but too big for purse/concealed carry (unless the Mrs dumps some stuff out of that thing - not likely)


The first shall be last (handguns)

The very first firearm I ever purchased. Sig P230 in .380. Also the first firearm where I tried my hand at re-bluing (which is why the slide looks kind of worn) It's due for a tune-up and refinishing but it is still a strong weapon. The added tang on the back is good for shooters with larger paws. It won't bite you like the PPK will.


Long Guns/Carbines

Marlin Camp Carbine 9

Great little carbine in 9mm. Uses S&W pistol magazines. Almost no recoil and accurate out to a good 100 yards using that simmons scope. No longer in production (as of about 1998)


AK time!

Actually this is a Chinese made Norinco 56s ("s" for semiautomatic). This is a pre-ban gun (Assault Weapons Ban 1994-2004. Still banned for import. Pre-ban means I can keep it. Yay!). It came with wooden furniture but I have added the polymer stuff. I also added the ak-74 style brake (it came with the slant brake) because the ak-74 style keeps it on target better. It came with a bayonet, but as this post is not about cutlery, I left it off.


Misc carbines

The Beretta Cx4 Storm in .45 acp calibre. This Carbine uses "Cougar" magazines. I have a Stoeger Cougar 8045 on order so that I can complete the set. This Carbine also has the EOTECH red dot/tactical sight and 3x magnifier.


By the way - I also have the airgun version of the cx4 which is good for back yard pellet plinking and retiring the odd snake.

The GSG-5 SD in .22 calibre. An incredibly fun gun to plink with. .22 calibre is dirt cheap and great fun. This is the anniversary edition. The gun also features an M4 Aimpoint red dot and a green laser.


Another with mags out


5.56 Time!

Colt Sporter SP1. This is an older version. I added the Daniel Defense front rail and the carry handle rail. That's an ACOG sitting on top of it with a "killflash" attachment. 5.56mm NATO. Also you can see a selection of magazines. In the carbine is a magpul Pmag (my preferred). Directly under the carbine is a 100 round Beta-C Mag. Good for range time. To the left underneath the C-mag is a standard GI 30 rounder. To the right of that is a Lancer mag (almost as good as the Magpul stuff). This is a standard Colt gas impingement Carbine.


Next is my favourite (currently). It is my version of what is known as the Mk 12 Mod 0 SPR (Special Purpose Rifle). If you are familiar with the L129A1 it would be almost identical except the Mk 12 mod 0 is 5.56 instead of 7.62Nato. I have special 77 grain 5.56 ammo for this thing. It started off as a piston driven AR from Patriot Ordnance factory with an 18 inch barrel. I added the Harris bipod and the Leupold 3.5-10x40 LR/T scope using ARMS mounts. I also added the Troy Industries folding BUIS. I have a magpul SPR stock for it but I need to change the buffer tube out first (out of stock at the moment). When I'm done with this thing, I will have spent more on the flippin accesories than the firearm itself. Shown with a 20 round magpul magazine. All mags for the SP1 above (yes-even the C-mag) can be used in this rifle. Until I get my remington M700 with AICS in 7.62NATO, this is my go to long distance shooter.



and



Well, that's about it. The only two items not showing are the Maverick/Mossberg Bullpup 12 guage and the Cobray M-11 semiauto. They are both at the shop (new barrel for the mossy and refinishing for the Cobray - I plan to sell the Cobray so want to pretty it up)

Enjoy! As always, be happy to answer any questions...

[ErnestM]

tank slapper said:

Ernest pictured on his way to the shops earlier:

GET TO DA CHOPPA!

[ErnestM]

jimmyjimjim said:

I know the GSG-5 has a fake suppressor (don't think the GSG-5 is made any more, either?) - I'm assuming the others are fake as well?

Yes. To all. The GSG-5 SD is a shroud because the barrel has to be 16 inches in the US before you have to register it as an SBR (short barreled rifle) which involves $200 and a lot of paperwork.

HK sued GSG. As per the terms of the settlement, GSG redesigned it's ware to make them "less HK like". So the SD model is still made, it just doesn't look like an MP5.

The P22 came with the fake suppresor. The CX4 is actually a shroud that acts as a heatsink (supposedly) as well - keeps the barrel from overheating (again, supposedly)

Interesting tidbit about the GSG shroud. That is actually a replacement shroud. It appears that the original shroud was too easy to convert to a real suppresor so I had to send it back for that replacement via a BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) recall letter

[ErnestM]

Famous Graham said:

Blimey.

Obviously there's some UK "OMG they are guns!" bias to this, but still...

How come you mention "carrying"? Do you work in security/law enforcement, or is it really a necessity for regular citizens to have a gun on them in Florida?

Not a necessity. Just a right. Those that fear firearms shouldn't carry them. Just as those that fear chainsaws shouldn't use them. (MHO of course)

ETA:

Most of my firearms would be currently unsuitable for carry (at least for me). Take the Walther P22. Great target pistol, but I'm not betting my life on a .22 calibre gun. The 9mm 1911 Springfield Loaded? Too big. have you ever tried to sit down with a full sized 1911 concealed? Not happening. Besides that particular gun is slated for an IPSC/IDPA build. The collectibles I won't shoot much and if I don't shoot them, I don't carry them. Finally, the carbines are strictly for sport/fun/target and you can't conceal them anyway...

Edited by ErnestM on Monday 7th February 01:12

[ErnestM]

jimmyjimjim said:

ErnestM said:

HK sued GSG. As per the terms of the settlement, GSG redesigned it's ware to make them "less HK like". So the SD model is still made, it just doesn't look like an MP5.

Remembered that, didn't know the oucome. This thread has reminded me that now I'm a LPR, I'm now able to purchase weapons. In fact, I think I'm obligated to!

I'm tempted by a Ruger 10/22, with an EOTech holosight, but the Walther P22 also appeals. As does the Glock 17 (as you said, it appears to be mandatory - what is it now, 4th gen?) and the FiveseveN. Alas, too many calls on the finances, but what better way to spend the tax refund...

The walther is tons of fun. It's also cheap to shoot. The FiveseveN is fun but both initial cost and ammo are high (remember FN controls the 5.7x28mm market). The new 4th Gen Glocks have changed some things. Swappable backstraps to help you fit the size of your paws to the grip and also have a captive dual spring recoil mechanism (somewhat akin to the HK USPc and PPS)

If you tell me what you want to spend and your purposes, I will be happy to make some suggestions.

[ErnestM]

EDLT said:

ErnestM said:

This is my "winter carry".

So it works best below 7°c?

Works best under a jacket/coat/sportcoat. I have a nice IWB (Inside the Waist Band) holster for it, but it would be very noticeable without a jacket or coat. It's too big for pocket carry. I have an ankle holster for it, but only resort to those if a have to. During warmer months, I carry the Kahr in a front pocket holster. It just disappears...

[ErnestM]

Mr Sparkle said:

How many people in Florida carry guns as a status quo then? Does every road rage incident/robbery turn into a skirmish?

Love the 100 round mag and the Beretta.

Florida has close to 700,000 concealed permit holders. Doesn't mean they are carrying every day, but they probably are. Additionally, Florida's CCW permit is honored in just about every State in the nation barring those that are squeamish about armed citizens.

In Florida, people are fairly polite. Road rage does not escalate to gunfire as a rule. In fact, more often than not, CCW permit holders will never have to use their right.

[ErnestM]

Famous Graham said:

Cheers for the answer. Guess it's just a cultural thing then. Personally speaking, I can't fathom the desire to carry just because it's a right. For me, the act of carrying implies a feeling that one needs to. Same with carrying any kind of legal weapon here. Just never felt the need.

That said, I did used to shoot a bit of pistol a few years back, mostly at Bisley, and I do appreciate a good firearm. Bizarrely, I was a better shot (comparatively) with a pistol than a rifle. It's just shotguns I won't go near anymore (long story that I've recounted here before involving a bust clay-launcher, turning around, and breaking the gun with my finger still inside the trigger guard - no one was hurt)

It may not have been you. With rifles, the least little thing can be important for accuracy. The weight of the bullet. The lands and grooves in the barrel (controls the "spin" of the bullet so impacts trajectory) Maybe you were just shooting well contructed pistols but average rifles?

Regarding carrying. It does take some getting used to. It's like everyhting else. I'm at the point now that if I don't, I feel like there is something missing.

I mostly enjoy target shooting, though. It's relaxing. Cathartic. Zen like.

[ErnestM]

Famous Graham said:

Very possibly - the rifles were bog-standard .22s in the main, from a wealth of manufacturers, with the occasional .308. But all cadet related, ie second hand and well worn. The pistols were relatively new Brownings. Ok, still .22, but tended to be newer.

Actually, I've just thought - irrespective of carrying laws, am I right in thinking no US states have gone the way of the UK in prohibiting pistol range shooting? I might be able to resurrect this old hobby when I move to Massachusetts in a few months \o/

Range shooting allowed everywhere. Even in (what one of the online bloggers that I follow refers to as) the Volksrepublik of Massachusetts. IIRC there are some hoops to jump through to actually purchase a firearm, but you should be able to get through that if you wish. Other than that, most ranges usually have rentals.

I would say try rifles again. I would hazard a guess that if you are good with pistols you will be even better with a rifle of a tad higher quality than the ones that you are describing.

[ErnestM]

Famous Graham said:

PS - WTF have you got a suppressor for the P22?

That one is a fake suppresor. The entire kit came with it (and the laser and the extra mags and the compensator).

I am planning on getting a real one (actually two or three) though. I have threaded barrels for the FiveseveN, Glock, USPc and even one for the 1911 in 9mm. The P22 comes threaded. Of course, the AR's are already threaded. The way I see it...

.22 suppressor for the Walther and any other small calibres in the future

9mm suppressor for all the ones referenced

Finally there is a company that makes a suppressor that will work on 5.56 and 5.7x28.

BATFE is overwhelmed with suppressor paperwork right now. It's a $200 tax stamp (per unit) and some paperwork which I just don't have time for at the moment. Soon, though. Or maybe the US will join the rest of the civilized world and realize that suppresors are not evil, they just help reduce noise while shooting (although they are NOT "movie silent")

[ErnestM]

Famous Graham said:

My point was more about the fact that, out of all the pistols, it was the little P22 that you had one for

Believe it or not, a .22 is one of the best guns to suppress. Subsonic rounds in .22 are really easy to find. They are not that loud to begin with. You can ALMOST make a .22 "hollywood quiet" with a suppressor.

In fact, the rumour is that the P22 was developed for the West German (either Army or Govt - pick a rumour) expressly for suppressor use (hence why the P22 features a threaded barrel from the factory).

The quietest gun I ever heard was a Ruger Mk III .22 suppressed. You could lock the action on it (so you didn't get the mechanical clack during recoil) and it was more silent than any air rifle that I have ever heard. There was just the suggestion of noise.

[ErnestM]

jimmyjimjim said:

Plinking to begin with, hence the interest in .22, with the Ruger and the P22. I've got to get off my backside and find someplace 'ok' to do it first - from my limited reading a few years back when trying to determine where the 'third' category of people in the US came (the other 2 being citizens and resident aliens, not a word about anyone else), I recall that letting anything off in anything even resembling city limits was a big no-no. Rest assured, I'm not about to dive in without comprehensively working out all of the gotchas.

And as I said, plenty of other things to concentrate the spending on, but when it comes time to get something I'm not too bothered about cost - I'm well aware of the cost of the FN, for a start!

I'd draw the line at anything above the cost of the SCAR17S - no place to use it, bloody expensive for what it is, let alone the cost of the ammo. Tempting though it is. And the Colt 6920LE. Aaaargh, I'll be broke by the end of the year.

I would say get the Walther P22. Get the kit with the 5 inch barrel. You can also buy the 3.4 incher and lose the compensator for more tactical type shooting. I don't think they sell the "whole kit" any more like I got (came with the extra barrel, mags, laser, etc)

Also - do you really want to be broke? Colt just brought out the SP901. Google it. It's the next generation in carbines. M4 style. comes in 7.62, BUT it also comes with a mag well adapter so that you can quickly replace the 7.62 upper with a 5.56 upper and use standard 5.56 mags. This is the civilian version of the CM901 that Colt is entering in the upcoming Army next gen carbine competition.

Oh, and forget the SCAR. You would be better off getting a Bushmaster/Remington ACR. Or better yet, LWRC or POF (like them a lot) piston AR. To further tempt you, you do know that HK has finally released the MR556A1? That's the civvie version of the HK416.

We are spoilt for choice over here in the land of the free.

ETA:

HK also has a .22 version of their 416 out...
http://www.hk22rimfire.com/index.php?page=416-d145...

Edited by ErnestM on Monday 7th February 02:59

[ErnestM]

Famous Graham said:

Think we were at cross purposes there . I meant that out of all of them, the one *least* in need of suppression was the P22

Btw, have you used suppressors on the range? How's the accuracy affected at, say, 50 yards?

Never done one at 50, but I shot the above referenced ruger at 25 and it didn't impact the accuracy in the least. Suppressors are just like everything else I suppose. I well constructed one, fit for purpose and it will do well. You wouldn't think that there would be, in the US, but there are a LOT of good suppressor companies.

I like AAC a lot (just bought by the people that own Remington)
http://www.advanced-armament.com/default.aspx?page...

also SWR
http://www.swrmfg.com/Rim-Fire-Suppressors/swr-spe...
(The spectre is rated for the 5.7 and rimfire, but I would feel more comfortable with one rated for the 5.56 and 5.7)

[ErnestM]

Si_steve said:

Very nice collection mate. A shame not to see a nice M14 in there, I dont know if they would come into the ban on assault weapons? I dont see how as they are technically a battle rifle and seeing as you have the SPR I'd imagine an EBR 14 might be allowed?

click

They are allowed. I've looked at them. Springfield is actually one of my favourite manufacturers. Just not for me. My 7.62 is going to be a new model from Remington, the M700-AAC SD

click

...and I am going to drop it into one of these...

AICS

(Rifle about $700, so total will be lest than 1/3 of the price of a complete Accuracy International 7.62 with comparible accuracy - at least in my hands - I'm not good enough for the complete AI gun yet)

My Brother-In-Law likes the M14 type weapons, though. Of course, being an ex-SEAL he would.

[ErnestM]

jimmyjimjim said:

ACR also on the want list from a while back! I think I managed to talk myself out of the HK offering on price alone, some time ago, although most of the piston ARs appeal.

Best piston AR value for money (IMHO)
http://www.pof-usa.com/p415/p415.htm

Very clean system. According to the manufacturer, cleaning the gun is optional. (I still clean mine)

[ErnestM]

jim

Well that's it for me tonight, I'm off to bed. I will check this thread in the morning and answer any new questions.

Cheers

[ErnestM]

james_tigerwoods said:

What limits are there on gun/weapon ownership - you see, in Hollywood films, rednecks with all manner of automatic weapons as well as TOWs and all manner of things - what's fact and what's fiction?

Each State has slightly different restrictions, so I will focus on the Federal law.

TOWs, etc are pretty mutch forbidden and are regulated as "destructive devices".

Civilians can legally own full auto weapons. However, the guns (or sears) must have been manufactured prior to 1986 and registered (quirk of Federal Law). Also, BATFE requires a lot of paperwork and a $200 tax payment prior to transfer of ownership/takin possesion.

I have shot full auto before. Nothing special beyond the novelty IMHO. Much more fun (and less expensive) to work on accurate placement of shots.

[ErnestM]

Pesty said:

Nice to see some 1911s' in there

nice collection.

Wish I was born in the US can you adopt me

Edited by Pesty on Monday 7th February 10:09

I think that is another law of gun collecting. You can't really have a collection without owning at least one example of the seminal work of the apostle John Moses Browning (PBUH)

In fact, this year is a good year to buy a 1911 as many manufacturers are offering a "centennial" collector version to celebrate the 100 year anniversary. Wilson Combat has a nice one that combines a 1911 action with some asthetic features from the Browing Hi Power, thus celebrating both of his highly influential works.

[ErnestM]

bacchus180 said:

Not intentionally Hijacking.. Hopefully contributing. you might like this..










This is my foxing rifle, This baby drops foxes at 300yd's and then some, all in the dead of night.

It's an AR derivative, as here in the UK we can't have semi auto's in this calibre, Its action has been made exclusively as a straight pull, so the tolerances are tight, The trigger is a Jewell, It chambers both 5.56 and .223, It has a stainless fluted krieger 24' barrel, either with a brake on it ( mind your ears ) or a ASE Ultra CQB suppressor. The scope is a S&B PM2 which is huge.. too big, its mounted on an A.R.M's rail, this enables the scope to be pushed forwards and a Gen3 NV monocular to be fastened behind it, coupled with an IR laser which mounts on the side. That way we own the night.



This is its baby brother, Semi Auto .22lr with a similar A.R.M.s rail, jewell trigger, attached to it is a US Optics thingamyjig scope, which slides forwards to take NV, its a bunny rifle, but to be honest its a bit pants, Not the best accuracy, its a bit inconsistent. These days it doesn't really leave the cabinet.

In the cabinet,



there are a pair of 20 bores for game shooting.

.22lr Anschutz which is beautiful and so accurate its scary. Its a 1517 model with a Monte Carlo stock, competition trigger,

.17hmr Anschutz which gives you that extra reach, stunning rifle, and then the pair of AR's described before.

Here in the UK our gun laws are strict, However if you have good reason and ask nicely the police are very helpful.

Very nice! I wish we could buy suppressors "of the shelf" in the US. The US suppressor law goes back to the 1930's when the public assumed that they were only used for gangland murders.

[ErnestM]

derestrictor said:

Ernie, baby, just tell me where I send the Blue Nun.

Total, total genius.

In fact,

"I'm just a cook"...