How Would You Feel About A Gay Player In The Dressing Room?
Discussion
An interesting question put to me by my mates last night.
Men do not share a dressing/changing room with Women because of the (correctly) perceived sexual interest the male would have in watching/seeing the Women naked or undressing.
So, is not the same true for Gay players in the Male changing rooms? Would you be happy to undress and bath or shower in front of somebody who's sexual orientation meant that they could be (perhaps would be?) getting aroused?
I know the macho thing to do would be to just laugh it off but some blokes sensibilities might make them vehemently opposed to sharing a changing room with a Gay player. Religious beliefs might also come into it.
When more Gay footballers do 'come out' will there be a test case to determine the correct protocol for dealing with this situation?
Would be good if we could get a response from someone who currently plays (say) Sunday football with a team mate who's openly gay.
I'm undecided on what I think are the rights and wrongs of this issue.
Men do not share a dressing/changing room with Women because of the (correctly) perceived sexual interest the male would have in watching/seeing the Women naked or undressing.
So, is not the same true for Gay players in the Male changing rooms? Would you be happy to undress and bath or shower in front of somebody who's sexual orientation meant that they could be (perhaps would be?) getting aroused?
I know the macho thing to do would be to just laugh it off but some blokes sensibilities might make them vehemently opposed to sharing a changing room with a Gay player. Religious beliefs might also come into it.
When more Gay footballers do 'come out' will there be a test case to determine the correct protocol for dealing with this situation?
Would be good if we could get a response from someone who currently plays (say) Sunday football with a team mate who's openly gay.
I'm undecided on what I think are the rights and wrongs of this issue.
bigandclever said:
im said:
GT03ROB said:
It's a non question.
Anyone that's changed at a gym, sports centre, etc, will have done it withou being raped!
TBH it's not a 'rape' issue.Anyone that's changed at a gym, sports centre, etc, will have done it withou being raped!
JQ said:
OP - you say you're undecided on the subject, why? Why do you think anyone would have an issue?
Well...for starters the religious are going to have a serious problem I suspect...as will the homophobic...as will a few ordinary hetero blokes. Yes the majority won't but I'm not sure the majority have an argument.Because some don't care about sharing a shower with a gay guy doesn't mean that everybody else has to accept that.
And I can't see a logical case for insisting that straight guys must share a changing room with gay guys.
I suspect that a court case will follow to sort this at some point in the future.
On the one hand you have gay rights and on the other you have the right to privacy from someone who potentially could be getting (discreetly) excited by sharing your shower.
BTW this thread is really just a thought exercise in trying to see whose rights will take precedence. I don't share showers with blokes anymore as my playing days are over so its not an actual issue for me.
CIE560 said:
im said:
CIE560 said:
I'd be more worried about somebody spelling 'you' as 'u'.
Jeez....Try fitting the sentence into the subject line using the word You instead of a U...let me know how far you get....
wiggy001 said:
Most posters here seem to have (deliberately?) missed the point of the OPs post.
Another question that may shed some light on it for the OP: why are there separate changing rooms for men and women in leisure centres, gyms etc?
Well thats the nub of the question...whatever the reason is for that male/female seperation is also likely a logical reason for a gay/straight seperation within the same sex changing room, no?Another question that may shed some light on it for the OP: why are there separate changing rooms for men and women in leisure centres, gyms etc?
If you walked into your local gym changing room and were confronted by (say) 6 gay guys laughing and joking about would you continue in and get showered? If you would, would you expect to be able to insist that all straight guys do similar?
Like I say, thought exercise.
robsa said:
So... if you've been sharing a changing room with a player, who subsequently says he is gay will you ask him to change elsewhere in case now he's 'out' he might arse-rape you in the showers?
And the reason someone mentioned colour/creed etc was because you said some people are bigots or have religious views which means you should respect the fact they object. He was pointing out some object to these other things but you wouldn't tolerate that would you? Or would you?
Why are you asking me? And the reason someone mentioned colour/creed etc was because you said some people are bigots or have religious views which means you should respect the fact they object. He was pointing out some object to these other things but you wouldn't tolerate that would you? Or would you?
Do you understand the point of this thread was for a short debate so that I could garner some opinions? Actually, don't answer that fella, I already know the answer to that.
I threw it out there for some opinions...
"Rape"
thats the 2nd time somebody has mentioned that. Starting to think "rape" is jumping into some peoples heads a bit to quickly.I love PH.
wiggy001 said:
Jeez, are you lot deliberately missing the OP's point?
Simple question: Why do men and women have separate changing rooms?
OP's follow on question: Does the answer to the above question mean gay and straight people should have separate changing rooms?
Unless I'm the one completely mis-reading this (which, given the OP's agreement to my post, I'm not) this is a simple enough thought exercise which it was hoped would prompt some debate. It's not an excuse for you to read anything else into the question and reply with a pre-programmed answer to a question that wasn't asked.
I salute you Wiggy. You are the only one who's not looking for a subtext that doesn't exist or to have a fight over a question that hasn't been asked.Simple question: Why do men and women have separate changing rooms?
OP's follow on question: Does the answer to the above question mean gay and straight people should have separate changing rooms?
Unless I'm the one completely mis-reading this (which, given the OP's agreement to my post, I'm not) this is a simple enough thought exercise which it was hoped would prompt some debate. It's not an excuse for you to read anything else into the question and reply with a pre-programmed answer to a question that wasn't asked.
I'll try and restate it...
Should straight guys have the same right to reject sharing a shower with a gay guy as a woman has to reject sharing a shower with a man. If not, why not? Whats the argument against it that doesn't eqully apply in both cases?
wiggy001 said:
You should have left it at:
Yes, thats equally as good fella.im said:
Men do not share a dressing/changing room with Women because of the (correctly) perceived sexual interest the male would have in watching/seeing the Women naked or undressing.
So, is not the same true for Gay players in the Male changing rooms?
So, is not the same true for Gay players in the Male changing rooms?
e21Mark said:
Why on earth would you presume that? A woman being secure in her sexuality doesn't make her a man. The sex of an individual isn't determined by their sexual preference.
Who said I presumed it???I'm asking what the logical argument against it is.
e21Mark said:
If you're in a changing room, with eleventy three blokes getting showered and dressed, how would you even know what their sexual preference was?
Please go back and read the OP. This is about where it is known that an individual or individuals are gay. Jeepers sometimes its seriously difficult in here 
Look my grandad and your grandad would have been up in arms about it back in the day but they were likely all homophobes however...logically they would have had the same argument as a woman would have ie: They do not want to get undressed/naked in front of somebody who is sexually orientated towards them.
Amongst all the "man up", "should be comfortable" blah blah blah rhetoric I'm not hearing a case against a straight guy who might be upset about it - that doesn't equally apply to a women not wanting to get undressed/naked in front of a heterosexual male...yet we give her precedence in that argument...whilst coming down against the straight male in that argument and tell him to just "like it or lump it".
I don't know how many more ways I can put this....
...OK, Whats the difference betw....nope, I give up. But yes, if you can convince a judge that women should have to accept Males in their changing room on the basis that Straight guys have to accept gay guys walking in on them naked then I'm in
anonymous said:
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Doesn't that kinda miss the point though Keyser?Half a dozen fat bints in the changing room aren't gonna elicit much movement in the groin area from most straight blokes unlucky enough to stumble upon them naked but they still demand the right not to be seen naked by hetero-sexual men and to have seperate changing areas.
Can I walk into a female changing room and say "don't worry girls, I won't be fancying any of you".
Edited by im on Thursday 16th January 09:23
e21Mark said:
Changing rooms (in the UK anyway) are determined by the physical sex, not sexual preference.
And why is the split like that and not (say) by Age or any other arbitary measure?Why do we split changing rooms (naked bodies) into 2 camps...Male and Female...what is the underlying argument for that?
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