Cosmonaut Exhibition - Science Museum

Cosmonaut Exhibition - Science Museum

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Eric Mc

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Tuesday 26th May 2015
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This might be worthwhile considering as a PH Science Forum trip?




http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/visitmuseum/plan_y...

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 26th May 2015
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It's not until mid September so plenty of time yet. I've made a diary note and will resurrect the thread closer to the date (August sometime).

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 27th May 2015
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They will have a genuine Vostok re-entry module on display. It is the one used on Vostok 6 which carried Valentina Tereshkova into space in June 1963.

Eric Mc

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Monday 1st June 2015
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I don't understand your point.

France has a permanent space exhibition. That's nice. So does the UK.

I'm not sure what relevance this has to my post about the upcoming special display at the Science Museum.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 27th September 2015
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I'll try and get to it before Christmas. It's on until March 2016.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 6th October 2015
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The answer is they might have. But their large rocket (the N1) was woefully unreliable and had a 100% catastrophic failure rate.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 7th October 2015
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They also spread themselves a bit too thinly. Before Apollo 8 managed to orbit the moon in December 1968, the Soviets had a Plan B lunar programme involving using a stripped down Soyuz spacecraft carrying only one cosmonaut which would perform a figure of eight loop around the moon and return to earth.

The rocket to be used was the then relatively new Proton. It is likely that Alexei Leonov would have been the cosmonaut involved.

They actually performed a number of test missions carrying biological subjects (including turtles and plants) which carried out this type of flight in the Autumn of 1968. The missions were labelled Zonds 4 and 5 and were only partially successful. Although both craft returned to earth successfully, they experienced much higher G loads during re-entry than planned so they were concerned that a human passenger might be incapacitated or even killed.

However, once Apollo 8 went around the moon, the manned mission was scrapped as there was no propaganda value to be had by flying it. They, of course, never revealed to the West what the true purpose of Zonds 4 and 5 was until the 1990s.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Booked my ticket for next Tuesday 8 December. I'll do a report when I get back.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Outside the front door of the Science Museum?

Eric Mc

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Monday 7th December 2015
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Going tomorrow. The Russian Lunar Module is the star exhibit as far as I'm concerned and am looking forward to seeing it.

Eric Mc

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Monday 7th December 2015
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To test out the Soyuz capsule in a "loop around the moon type mission". Apart from the need to ensure it sustained the life of the cosmonaut on board for the six or so days such a mission would involve, the heat shield of the Soyuz had to be tested to ensure it would protect the craft during the re-entry phase. Re-entry from a lunar flight is at a much higher speed (25,000 mph) compared to re-entry from, earth orbit (17.500 mph).

In fact, there were three missions in the series - Zonds 4, 5 and 6.

Eric Mc

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Monday 7th December 2015
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I hadn't remembered they'd gone on to 7 and 8.

Here's a nice picture of the earth taken by Zond 7 -


Eric Mc

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Saturday 12th December 2015
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Went to see the exhibition on Tuesday and really enjoyed it. It's not massive but it was a real treat to look inside a genuine Vostok and Voshkod.

And, as I suspected, the Lunar Module was a revelation. It finally dawned on me that it is, in fact, a Vostok spacecraft with legs.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 12th December 2015
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No photos sadly. I had heard they weren't allowing photographs so didn't bring a camera. It turned out I could have taken some. I may go back again in February and take some pictures. The exhibition closes on March 13.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 12th December 2015
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funkyrobot said:
Currently down the road from the museum but won't get chance to go and see this. frown
Why not?

It wasn't exactly packed so even though you can book in advance, you can pay on the day and just go straight in.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 13th December 2015
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Great pictures. Thanks for posting them.

I think you can see how close the Russian Lunar Module resembles a Vostok.

And if you look inside the Voshkod you can see that the three sets of seats were inserted sideways in the spacecraft - in order to squeeze in the three occupants.

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Sunday 13th December 2015
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The three seat Voshkod was a "rush job". Kruschev demanded that Korolev launch a three seat spacecraft well ahead of America's just announced two seat Gemini. Korolev told Kruschev that he WAS developing a sophisticated three seater which would be called Soyuz but would not be ready for launch until late 1966 at the earliest. Kruschev said that this was too long as it would mean Gemini and possibly Apollo (a genuine three seater) would fly first, which to Kruschev was not an option.

Korolev instead took a spare single seat Vostok, stripped out any "unnecessary" equipment, including the large ejector seat, and shoehorned in three smaller couches. In order to fit them in they had to be placed across the capsule instead of front to back. If you looked inside at the exhibition, you could see that the (minimal) instrument panel was to the left of the Commander's couch, rather than directly ahead of the crew. This meant that only the commander could work and monitor the instruments.

What would have been nice would have been an information board beside each capsule explaining what the instrument panel buttons, dials and displays were for.

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Sunday 13th December 2015
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funkyrobot said:
I read a little something about the seating plan and the way they had to crane their necks to see the instruments. But, as you say, there wasn't much more than a bit of text about the capsule.

Did the Russian moon rover (next to the lunar lander) actually make it to the moon? I can't remember if it stated it had. If so, I wonder where the pictures it took are.
TWO of those rovers were landed - Lunokhod 1 in 1970 and Lunokhod 2 in January 1973. They each took thousands of photos and also returned live TV images. Indeed. the TV images were vital as the TV cameras were essentially the eyes which allowed the earth based controllers to operate the rovers remotely. Although many images were taken, not that many were released or shown in the West mainly because the Apollo pictures were so much better. Here's one picture of the Lunokhod's own tracks.


Eric Mc

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Sunday 13th December 2015
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Interestingly, the two Lonokhods were both equipped with laser reflectors. Being passive instruments, they are still functional and are still being used along with the Apollo reflectors to gauge the distance from the earth to the Moon.

Eric Mc

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Friday 18th December 2015
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bloomen said:
I really couldn't get over how absolutely tiny the three man capsule was.
That's because it wasn't really a three man capsule. It was in reality a one man Vostok hastilly stripped down to squeeze ion three occupants - all to satisfy the political desire of Nikita Kruschev to upstage the Americans, before they had a chance to fly the genuine two man Gemini.

Sergei Korolev was designing a genuine three man craft - the Soyuz - but he was forced to put that on hold whilst he adapted the Vostok to carry three and later to adapt it to allow a two man crew and an airlock for spacewalking.