Is David Coulthard right? I think not.

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BBC's David Coulthard said:

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But life isn't fair. The days of a driver influencing the mechanical reliability of the car are virtually gone. The racing gods decide on reliability, and the drivers just have to deal with that.
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"virtually gone" "racing gods" ?

If he fails to see how a driver's actions can influence car components' reliability, I think he needs to go back and think again.

Modern F1 cars are very reliable compared to the past but, no matter how reliable they are or become, driver input can always have the final say and upset things.

Even Rosberg had his card marked by his team in Germany to change the way he drove the car with reliability and less stress in mind. Wisely and rightly so.

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So, I get it. Driver has nothing to do with it. Ever! Got it.

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Rain Gods can play a part though!

"Jenson Button real savvy guy" ... spot the differebnce.,

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entropy said:

Depends how hard you use the kerbs. The 'shock' can damage wiring looms and the hydraulics - this was especially the case when seamless gearboxes came to the fore.

Maybe fuel line unions loosen or pipes fracture even. No problem with so little pressure involved ...

Stoney ground with some here entropy I believe.

No matter how improved, strong and reliable components are, they all have finite stress levels. Exceed those and ......

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Just thrown away a few quid on Vettel for Q3. 6-1.

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digger the goat said:

Considering this thread was started and continued before BBC2 highlights........ The OP and all of you are arses for not putting or reporting it with a 'SPOILER' before posting.....
Gobste tts...

BEFORE HIGHLIGHTS!! Make that BEFORE QUALIFYING !!

Considering this thread was started @ 10:57 well before any live Qualifying coverage, this arse of an OP did not have his crystal balls in gear!

When it comes to Gobste tts, you digger the goat are the Chumpion!

Plus obviously your clocks and timing are all a'cock!

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heebeegeetee said:

MGJohn said:

"virtually gone" "racing gods" ?

If he fails to see how a driver's actions can influence car components' reliability, I think he needs to go back and think again.

Modern F1 cars are very reliable compared to the past but, no matter how reliable they are or become, driver input can always have the final say and upset things.

Even Rosberg had his card marked by his team in Germany to change the way he drove the car with reliability and less stress in mind. Wisely and rightly so.

Haven't you missed the point? The drivers are monitored and told how to drive and what to do during the race. The days of doing that for themselves, the days of those drivers who couldn't think as well as others, have all but gone, along with the drivers ability to influence the design of the car.

As Nico has said at least a couple of times this season, "this is a fabulous car you've given me", and if Nico starts mistreating the fabulous car they've given him they're soon on his case - as you've said.

Which means you unwittingly agree with DC.

Mind you in fairness,the likes of Massa, Magnussen and Maldanado definitely have say over the reliability of their cars

Yes, yes, yes and YES. However, the simple fact that Rosberg had his card marked by the team suggests driver input/abuse CAN and will affect reliability. He is far from alone by a long chalk and I and no doubt you never hear all the driver-team verbal interchanges ... for obvious reasons. Need to know basis scenario and that includes Coulthard!

DC may have been a half decent F1 pedal pusher and steering wheel twiddler but he could also be one of the many who do not know where the bonnet release is on their cars. No mechanical "bent" as it were, relying on regurgitated stuff others circulate. Could even be a "spannerphobic" like TG's Clarkson... Such folks exist ...

There again he could well be a highly qualified mechanical engineer. A very worthy trade and one that has been sadly under valued here in recent decades much to my chagrin. Although there are signs that that mindset is changing. Praise be. There's hope for an also run Nation yet ...

Just musing and thinking out loud... in a senior moment or two ...

Meantime looking forward to seeing how Hamilton approaches nineteen slower cars and drivers in front of him in an hour's time.

Bring it on.

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REALIST123 said:

You do post some garbage John. So Rosberg had his cards 'marked' did he? Did he hell. He was advised about certain current reliability issues and told to drive accordingly. As was Lewis.

But you're right, most people don't hear a fraction of what goes over the radio. I've had the privilege of spending this weekend at the Hungaroring in the company of one of MBs aero engineers. I spent P2 at the back of the garage hooked into the live feed and it is enlightening. My experience has also shown me how little most posting on here really understand about modern F1.

In all honesty you seem to be the ringleader of that group...

Here's some more top quality garbage for you.

P2 !! You no matter how well connected or not to what goes on at M-B, will never have access or be privvy to what goes on within the minds of all involved behind closed doors at the higher or top levels in the firm, including what the drivers decide to do. Few of those employed there will have that access either.

Yes, Rosberg has had his "card marked" in so many ways and his team mate did that for him to excess on Sunday.

Rosberg is no mug and now knows without any doubt how to behave from now on.

I do know human nature. Had certain parties behaved more astutely on Sunday, another M-B GP win was more than a remote possibility. That certain parties did not, made that win assuredly beyond reach.

If the people that really matter behind closed doors do not realise that, very unlikely, more fool them.

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We shall see.

Any road up, I think Coulthard was correct in laying the blame for the Magnussen - Massa incident on the former was the correct one.

So there ...

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digger the goat said:

Considering this thread was started and continued before BBC2 highlights........ The OP and all of you are arses for not putting or reporting it with a 'SPOILER' before posting.....
Gobste tts...

Says you who not wanting to have the result known before, enters an F1 thread. Pathetic!

By the time BBC show the highlights it's almost yesterday's news having been reported widely and repeatedly both on News programmes and of course by SKY and others live.