****Winter Testing #1 Jerez****
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Jerez day 1 times 2014 
Driver - Team - Best Lap time - Laps
Raikkonen - Ferrari - 1:27.104 - 31
Hamilton - Mercedes - 1:27.820 - 18
Bottas - Williams - 1:30.082 - 7
Perez - Force India - 1:33.161 - 11
Vergne - Toro Rosso - 1:36.530 - 15
Gutierrez - Sauber - 1:42.257 - 7
Vettel - Red Bull - No time - 3
Ericsson - Caterham - No time - 1
(McLaren & Marussia didn't go out)
Driver - Team - Best Lap time - Laps
Raikkonen - Ferrari - 1:27.104 - 31
Hamilton - Mercedes - 1:27.820 - 18
Bottas - Williams - 1:30.082 - 7
Perez - Force India - 1:33.161 - 11
Vergne - Toro Rosso - 1:36.530 - 15
Gutierrez - Sauber - 1:42.257 - 7
Vettel - Red Bull - No time - 3
Ericsson - Caterham - No time - 1
(McLaren & Marussia didn't go out)
FourWheelDrift said:
McLaren - new technology teething problems - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117550
If the engine contains new technologies that are giving them these issues then it's a terrible decision to implement them. If they knew these problems were coming, what on earth were they playing at with the massive "new era" and #makehistory marketing campaign? If you knew it was going to be this bad, wouldn't you stfu and keep your heads down? It's the same old McLaren over-complicating things. It's like the exhaust integrated into the floor that kept burning the car. They spent days and days chasing that and f
ked the whole test up.Trying to run before they can walk - again!
allergictocheese said:
erhaps it depends on your ambitions?
If you want to be with the pack, you can play it safe and a team like McLaren can use their budget to sit a few tenths off the front runner.
If you want to be the team with the few tenths in hand, you have to do something different.
I applaud McLaren and Honda for going radical. I get the impression the whole pit lane is wondering quite what might be unleashed when it all comes together. If you could combine Red Bull quality aero with the best drivetrain, you would have a fearsome thing indeed. Part of me suspects the teething problems are hiding something extraordinary.
I see what you're saying, but I can't recall anything ever being considered radical on the RB7 or RB9 (2011 and 2013 cars were the dominant ones) - they were just absolutely brilliant all round. PU aside, did the Merc W05 have anything radical?If you want to be with the pack, you can play it safe and a team like McLaren can use their budget to sit a few tenths off the front runner.
If you want to be the team with the few tenths in hand, you have to do something different.
I applaud McLaren and Honda for going radical. I get the impression the whole pit lane is wondering quite what might be unleashed when it all comes together. If you could combine Red Bull quality aero with the best drivetrain, you would have a fearsome thing indeed. Part of me suspects the teething problems are hiding something extraordinary.
entropy said:
FFS its testing. The first tests are 'shakedowns' for systems check.
This time last year RBR and other Renaults were struggling to do ten laps yet they duked out with Williams to be the second best car on the grid - not that I expect McLaren to emulate RBR but the point is that its too early to make criticisms without the chance to rectify problems before racing. Eg. the octopus exhausts were ditched mid-pre-season testing when they realized it wasn't worth the effort.
Sorry I disagree with you. They did what, 13 laps in 2 days? I don't think that's what testing should be. It happened last year to most teams, but this is going to hurt them this time as everyone else is doing proper mileage. As said by someone else, RB's engine trouble was experienced by other teams too, and McLaren aren't in that position. RB made a heck of a recovery, so maybe the MP430 is an awesome car waiting for the engine to catch up. I might have given the impression that I've written them off, which isn't true. I'm just a frustrated fan.This time last year RBR and other Renaults were struggling to do ten laps yet they duked out with Williams to be the second best car on the grid - not that I expect McLaren to emulate RBR but the point is that its too early to make criticisms without the chance to rectify problems before racing. Eg. the octopus exhausts were ditched mid-pre-season testing when they realized it wasn't worth the effort.
And actually the octo exhaust is a great example.
"With limited preseason testing, McLaren felt it best not pursue the Fan Tail and dropped back to the back up solution, a more conventional rear exit exhaust. As Lowe explained, McLaren’s woes were far worse than they had expected when the back up exhaust also started to fail. Testing was over and the team had only completed limited running."
http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2012/05/30/mclaren-mp4-2...
Edited by RenOHH on Monday 2nd February 21:39
NRS said:
Scuffers said:
RenOHH said:
NRS said:
Remember, Mercedes effectively won because of their engine last year.
What!? Not true at all.ks from?London424 said:
McL are done for the day...power unit removal and inspection due to loss of cooling water pressure.
Now this is more what you expect in winter testing, unlike yesterday and Sunday where it couldn't do a few laps. Cooling related stuff has to be proved in the actual car. It seems like they made a lot of progress today.TheAngryDog said:
That does sound good. Very loud MGU-K there too.This is weird and interesting.
https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/5626895375...
"Interesting snippet from @eboullier. Mobil has worked with Honda to allow the engine to run hotter, thus less cooling and better aero"
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