Horners at it again
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Amazing when things aren't going his teams way again he pulls the Renault excuse out again, ok it probably is but just knuckle down and work through it
Anticipating that Mercedes will dominate again this season, Horner also called on the FIA to equalise engines to ensure more competition,
WTF how about equalising aero, dodgy tea trays, flexing wings when you were winning everything for 4 years instead you told everybody they had to do a better job!
just some quotes from sky...
“When we were winning, we were never winning with the advantage that they have,” he insisted. “Double diffusers were banned, exhausts were moved, flexible bodywork was prohibited, engine mapping mid-season was changed; anything was done. That wasn’t just unique to Red Bull.
“Is it healthy to have a situation? The FIA within the rules have an equalisation mechanism. Perhaps it’s something they need to have a look at.
“Mercedes, take nothing away from, they’ve done a super job: they’ve got a good car, a fantastic engine and they’ve got two very good drivers.
“The problem is the gap is so big. You end up with three-tier racing and I think that’s not healthy for Formula 1.”
Suck it up Horner and do a better job
Anticipating that Mercedes will dominate again this season, Horner also called on the FIA to equalise engines to ensure more competition,
WTF how about equalising aero, dodgy tea trays, flexing wings when you were winning everything for 4 years instead you told everybody they had to do a better job!
just some quotes from sky...
“When we were winning, we were never winning with the advantage that they have,” he insisted. “Double diffusers were banned, exhausts were moved, flexible bodywork was prohibited, engine mapping mid-season was changed; anything was done. That wasn’t just unique to Red Bull.
“Is it healthy to have a situation? The FIA within the rules have an equalisation mechanism. Perhaps it’s something they need to have a look at.
“Mercedes, take nothing away from, they’ve done a super job: they’ve got a good car, a fantastic engine and they’ve got two very good drivers.
“The problem is the gap is so big. You end up with three-tier racing and I think that’s not healthy for Formula 1.”
Suck it up Horner and do a better job
VolvoT5 said:
So much hate for CH and RB that people can't appreciate the grain of truth in what he is saying.
There are some key differences, for example:
1) When RB were dominating they seldom had a 1.5 second a lap advantage. Two of the championships went down to the wire and arguably Alonso should have won one.
2) All of the things RB did to get their advantage (blown exhausts, floppy wings, tricky engine mapping, etc) were eventually banned.
3) In relation to point 2, the other teams had the chance to (and sometimes did) copy similar methods if they wanted. The current Merc engine advantage is partially 'locked in' by the development rules.
4)These power units are eye watering in cost and have pushed several teams to the verge of bankruptcy. This was said to be the wrong approach by many people, including Horner, before any car turned a wheel in anger last year.
And finally, it is blood boring watching one team dominate so much, whether it is Redbull or Mercedes.
Don't get me wrong, Horner is a whiney git and a bad loser..... but he does have a valid point.
Don't forget the Merc had to lose FRICs due to a certain team maintaining it was the most advanced and likely illegal, look what difference that made to the outcome!There are some key differences, for example:
1) When RB were dominating they seldom had a 1.5 second a lap advantage. Two of the championships went down to the wire and arguably Alonso should have won one.
2) All of the things RB did to get their advantage (blown exhausts, floppy wings, tricky engine mapping, etc) were eventually banned.
3) In relation to point 2, the other teams had the chance to (and sometimes did) copy similar methods if they wanted. The current Merc engine advantage is partially 'locked in' by the development rules.
4)These power units are eye watering in cost and have pushed several teams to the verge of bankruptcy. This was said to be the wrong approach by many people, including Horner, before any car turned a wheel in anger last year.
And finally, it is blood boring watching one team dominate so much, whether it is Redbull or Mercedes.
Don't get me wrong, Horner is a whiney git and a bad loser..... but he does have a valid point.
We all (well some) complain about artificial racing this that or the other, well how much more artificial can it get if Merc are told to turn the wick down on their engines under these supposed equalisation rules?
Basically what CH is saying is 'WE' (as in RBR inc Renault) have built an inferior engine and/or software compared to Mercedes who have 'done a good job' CH was quoted as saying. I say TOUGH LUCK, when it was the other way around all we heard was 'they need to do a better job', 'they need to work harder'
I don't buy this b
ks that all their gizmos were removed to slow them down, the gizmos that made them quick were illegal and had to be removed. I also don't buy this 'its not good for the sport' when one team dominates, well at if Merc dominate at least they let both their drivers fight unlike Ferrari when schuey has a clause in his contract saying the number 2 driver was not allowed to see his data but he was allowed theirs, not one team mate was allowed to get near him, same for RBR with Webber, while golden bks was the blue eyed boy webber was constantly reined back, at least Merc let their drivers racebullies180 said:
thought i'd dig this up, can't find the links to when horner said that it is other teams responsibilities to catch red bull up back in 2011 i think.
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/111324-rbr-f1-can-t-f...
Just some links and quotes from CH from previous years when RBR where winninghttp://www.racer.com/f1/item/111324-rbr-f1-can-t-f...
http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/motorsports/f1/storie...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/f1/2013/1120/48...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/f1/2013/1120/48...
"Asked about Vettel's accusation of “dirty tricks” in the sport, Horner said, “It's been a tough competition. F1 is a tough business, and you're up against some big opponents. The fastest way to become unpopular is to have repeated success. We've ignored what other teams are think and just really focused on ourselves.”
“In all honesty, Mercedes have done the best job this year - and all that does is motivate you,”, “You know how much work goes into winning a championship and to win it four times in a row [as we did in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013] is an enormous achievement"
“We don’t have the heritage of Ferrari, McLaren or even Mercedes. It probably sits uneasy with those guys for a young upstart team to come in with a young driver and achieve what we have. Somebody said to me that the best way to become unpopular is to win consistently.”
The execution of the Red Bull master plan, with Horner at the helm and Vettel wearing the visor, is not about to relent any time soon. “You push boundaries,” Horner says.
“That is what winning is all about. We will continue to push, because the moment you stand still you are going backwards.”
An extract from one of the links above....
Vettel set a new F1 record on Sunday for number of consecutive victories in one season with his eighth in a row.
Horner, however, feels the critics should focus more on Red Bull's rivals for not doing a good enough job.
"We compete in a championship to the same regulations as all the others," said Horner.
"So, we do the best job we can and then we measure ourselves against our opponents every couple of weeks. It is not down to us to help the others to succeed.
"Our focus is very much on ourselves to improve, and we will look at every grand prix to see where we can do better, where can we improve - operationally, technically, with reliability or from the drivers.
"We don't feel in any way bad about the fact we have done a lot of winning, and it never gets boring because what you have to remember are the days when we were not winning.
Vettel set a new F1 record on Sunday for number of consecutive victories in one season with his eighth in a row.
Horner, however, feels the critics should focus more on Red Bull's rivals for not doing a good enough job.
"We compete in a championship to the same regulations as all the others," said Horner.
"So, we do the best job we can and then we measure ourselves against our opponents every couple of weeks. It is not down to us to help the others to succeed.
"Our focus is very much on ourselves to improve, and we will look at every grand prix to see where we can do better, where can we improve - operationally, technically, with reliability or from the drivers.
"We don't feel in any way bad about the fact we have done a lot of winning, and it never gets boring because what you have to remember are the days when we were not winning.
Ok some questions, right so Horner is whining that the Renault is 100hp down on the Mercedes through whatever reason be it the engine or software, so lets assume (and we have no reason to suggest otherwise) that all the Mercedes teams have parity does this mean he wants ALL the Merc teams pegged back to the RBR level or just the works team?
And assuming this equalisation does go through then how do they do it, is it as simple as just asking/forcing them to turn the wick down, if so to what level, who says yes that's enough we can keep up now, its not very scientific is it?
And while this equalisation is in force would Renault still be able to develop their engine or software because if they did then eventually Merc would need to turn up their wick as per equalisation
I just can't see how any of this would work
And assuming this equalisation does go through then how do they do it, is it as simple as just asking/forcing them to turn the wick down, if so to what level, who says yes that's enough we can keep up now, its not very scientific is it?
And while this equalisation is in force would Renault still be able to develop their engine or software because if they did then eventually Merc would need to turn up their wick as per equalisation
I just can't see how any of this would work
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