Is the safety car start, the beginning of the end?
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The Surveyor said:
Maybe they're taking a sensibly cautious approach in light of the Jules Bianchi accident and the recent legal action. the safety car didn't spoil the race but a mass pile-up in the first corner at the start certainly could have.
Yet someone got a penalty for going to slow in a safety session, aren't Bianchi's family saying that speed inching the safety car and having to keep up was a major contributor to his accident, Z3MCJez said:
MNASCAR isn't everyone's cup of tea, but races start when the track permits. They race only in the dry which drives this but if they'd left it for 30 mins I can't help but think they could have started properly. Actually, today, I think they could have started properly anyway.
Jez
In (I think)all other classes of racing you go at the start time whatever the weather, if it's a rolling start the safety car is only out for one lap, F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle, for a lot of people it's all about the start, for the majority of races after five laps the race is done.Jez
I know it's all about the money, but if H&S is such a priority why have this race at all, it is a bit of a contradiction in terms, other proper race circuits have been refused permission to stage F1 races because the run offs are not large enough.
I've attended club races at Anglesey when some of the corners were under water, and the race still started on time, it was up to the drivers if they wanted to pull out,
I've attended club races at Anglesey when some of the corners were under water, and the race still started on time, it was up to the drivers if they wanted to pull out,
HustleRussell said:
Never a truer word spoken.
What a silly thread. It was a great race (by Monaco standards). We'll never know what would've happened had it been a standing start but Jolyon Palmer binning it due to loss of traction on painted lines in a high gear and at speed may give some indication.
How can you call it a great race, without a standing start.What a silly thread. It was a great race (by Monaco standards). We'll never know what would've happened had it been a standing start but Jolyon Palmer binning it due to loss of traction on painted lines in a high gear and at speed may give some indication.
I don't get why anyone in the media tries to talk it up at every opportunity, maybe this way they keep their jobs.
S0 What said:
Why do we get this histerics every time we have a questionable safty car period? i meen it's not like it's the first time FFS
gotta love newbys, they do love histerics/over reacing ect ect
Histerics? Why bother going through the process of qualifying, just draw lots and line up behind the safety car.gotta love newbys, they do love histerics/over reacing ect ect
Didn't understand the newbys comment
I think you are both wrong,
Why isn't club racing or even touring cars treated in the same way? Is a Formula 1 drivers life more valuable than drivers in other classes.
The race director or TV director at Monaco over reacted, even the Porsches had to start under the safety car, but at least they let them go on lap three
Why isn't club racing or even touring cars treated in the same way? Is a Formula 1 drivers life more valuable than drivers in other classes.
The race director or TV director at Monaco over reacted, even the Porsches had to start under the safety car, but at least they let them go on lap three
C70R said:
It's all to do with not applying slapdash decision-making to the pinnacle of motorsport. The fact that the pinnacle of motorsport also attracts more money is incidental. You're doing 2+2 and finding 5, because you wanted to find 5.
Monaco is a narrow track, with almost no run-off. This means that any accident, no matter how minor, has potential to seriously disrupt/red-flag the race. Wet racing significantly increases the potential for accidents, particularly at first corners (see the Spa example above).
Can you imagine how stupid the race director would have looked if he caved-in to the "it was better in the old days" pressure, resulting in 10 DNFs (or a red flag, or further safety car) at the first corner?
Can you imagine if there had been a serious injury as a result? Who would have been liable?
F1 has moved on from the harem-scarem days of the 1970s. Calculated risk and driver welfare are paramount in race control decision-making, which I wholeheartedly applaud.
I'd suggest that your attitudes probably have some catching up to do.
Ok, My Attitude has caught up and using the modern safe culture the only conclusion that can be drawn is that Monaco is no longer suitable to stage a motor race.Monaco is a narrow track, with almost no run-off. This means that any accident, no matter how minor, has potential to seriously disrupt/red-flag the race. Wet racing significantly increases the potential for accidents, particularly at first corners (see the Spa example above).
Can you imagine how stupid the race director would have looked if he caved-in to the "it was better in the old days" pressure, resulting in 10 DNFs (or a red flag, or further safety car) at the first corner?
Can you imagine if there had been a serious injury as a result? Who would have been liable?
F1 has moved on from the harem-scarem days of the 1970s. Calculated risk and driver welfare are paramount in race control decision-making, which I wholeheartedly applaud.
I'd suggest that your attitudes probably have some catching up to do.
You may consider the TV Director comment childish, explain why they couldn’t just delay the start (as in the old days)when TV schedules didn’t dictate everything, If you think my comment is that childish we did a very wet televised race not long ago at Anglesey and were told the race will start on time whatever the conditions.
C70R said:
The PH armchair experts are hilarious. The race director has more experience and information available to him than the combined total of this thread's contributors - not that this will stop the oldies knowing better, frothing at the mouth, and threatening to cancel their F1 Magazine subscriptions!
So you know the brief that the race director was working to, please tell us, I'm dying to know, did he tell you personally or by text C70R said:
However, please do correct me where I'm wrong - more people are watching and enjoying F1 now than have ever done in the past. That, unless I'm mistaken, proves that F1 (while having a number of failings, like anything) is getting plenty right.
You do come out with some tosh, more people are watching F1, The big bang theory, CSI whatever etc etc because of the developments in communications, TV delivery and the internet, this has nothing to do with the success of formula 1, maybe I should have asked if you work for a marketing company.It is equally true that more people are turning off and not watching Formula! than ever before.
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