should the radio ban stay?

should the radio ban stay?

Poll: should the radio ban stay?

Total Members Polled: 251

No it is a spaceship : 58%
YES it is a racecar: 42%
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Adrian W

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Monday 20th June 2016
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Is the Radio coaching ban reasonable, the cars have become so complicated that the driver cannot do it on his own if something goes wrong and it is a team sport?

or is it the same for everyone so get on with it and stop moaning?

Adrian W

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Monday 20th June 2016
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rsbmw said:
Poll needs a third option. I like that they can't tell the driver how to drive the car, manage brakes etc, but they should be able to talk them through a mid race software patch when there is a bug with the config. They're drivers for Christs sake, not IT support.

Hard to write rules for I suppose, but an authorisation layer seems to make sense and would be easy to implement. I doubt it would need to be used that often.
What would be the secret code for so and so's car is buggered push him as hard as you can

Adrian W

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Tuesday 21st June 2016
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Trabi601 said:
Would this discussion be happening if it had been Nico struggling with the settings?
Yes, from memory there were three drivers with this problem and it has happened at other races

Edited by Adrian W on Tuesday 21st June 07:28

Adrian W

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Tuesday 21st June 2016
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MikeyC said:
err... nope !

it's only when certain home-grown individuals have a problem that this becomes a 'big discussion'

lets not forget, they have previous form ...
Hamilton not smart enough may be appropriate.............wrong context, but made me smile

Adrian W

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Tuesday 21st June 2016
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alangla said:
I'm sure years ago the cars used to have to pit & a laptop would be plugged into a socket in the cockpit to allow electronic faults to be resolved.

How about... Limited adjustment while on the move (e.g. brake bias, energy recovery level, one or two other things) and allowing the team to adjust settings wirelessly via a loop antenna embedded in the pit box area. The car could receive updates from the team while it was stationary in the pits in much the same way that front wing angles are adjusted by mechanics while stopped, but only basic stuff could changed while on the move. This should still allow the teams to tweak the car's setup for each stint, but would allow the drivers to concentrate on driving, rather than faffing about with all those controls on the wheel.
Isn't one of the current fundamental rules of motor racing that you can take data from the car in a race but cannot send data to the car? I thought this is to effectively stop the engineers remotely controlling the car.

Adrian W

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Saturday 2nd July 2016
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The item in the Sky run up show today about the steering wheels was very interesting, Brundle was saying it is impossible for the driver without help

Adrian W

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Monday 4th July 2016
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Brundle must feel strongly about the radio ban, he was going on saying that if Rosbergs brakes had failed the team should have been able to tell him over the radio, personally I think he would have claimed he didn't hear and tried to punt LH off anyway

Adrian W

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Tuesday 5th July 2016
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Crafty_ said:
Force India say they requested permission to tell Perez and Hulkenberg about failing brakes, which they were denied, so I wouldn't be surprised if Merc weren't allowed either.

However, Merc were allowed to tell Lewis about high suspension loads in T9 and to keep off kerbs.

Hardly consistent, but thats what we've come to expect from the FIA sadly.
I think maybe the FIA have become complacent about safety, or haven't thought this through properly, even though they claim its all about safety, so the team cannot tell the driver he has no brakes, then someone dies or is seriously injured, you can see where this is going.

Adrian W

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Sunday 10th July 2016
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So Merc have broken the rules, let's see what happens

Adrian W

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Sunday 10th July 2016
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Trabi601 said:
Adrian W said:
So Merc have broken the rules, let's see what happens
They haven't broken the rules.
Yes they did and they know it, last week they claimed they couldn't tell him his brakes were broken, yet this week they told him his gearbox was broken, they were lieing or cheating

Adrian W

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Sunday 10th July 2016
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Trabi601 said:
I believe last week it was the regenerative braking causing an issue, which wasn't a major safety issue.

An exploding gearbox poses a significant safety risk not only to the driver, but also to those following.

That's what is likely to be the distinction.

We shall see what the officials say.
The car not stopping properly (if true) is a safety issue, if the gearbox was unsafe they should have told him to pit.

All driver coaching is against the rules, therefore a significant penalty should be given.

Adrian W

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Sunday 10th July 2016
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Rosberg only got a ten second penalty which makes a mockery of the ban, the precedent has been set, if more than 10seconds in front of the bloke behind start talking

Edited by Adrian W on Sunday 10th July 18:44

Adrian W

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Sunday 10th July 2016
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MissChief said:
Are we talking about Obama or Trump/Clinton?
Bloody iPhones

Adrian W

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Monday 11th July 2016
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They should have been disqualified (maybe the whole team) Mercedes cheated, all the other teams have respected this rule to the letter, last week Merc claimed that they couldn't tell NR his brakes had failed, then there is LH steering wheel issue, other teams have had DNF's and crashes because of this rule. it is a stupid rule but MB cheated.

Adrian W

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Sunday 24th July 2016
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This is getting stupid,

Adrian W

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Monday 25th July 2016
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ZX10R NIN said:
I don't see what the problem is if you're having brake/safety issues you come on the radio & tell your driver how to resolve it then take your drive through penalty, the reason you should get the penalty is because had you not been able to tell the driver how to resolve the issue you'd either have to visit the pits or park the car.

So the penalty redresses the advantage gained by making the adjustment on track.
That's a very good point, If you are going to get the penalty anyway..........

Adrian W

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Friday 29th July 2016
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I'm glad they have scrapped the ban, they obviously didn't think it through, I think the FIA have bottled it and having now thought it through have decided they would be in a very dodgy situation if someone got killed and it could have been avoided with radio.

Shame for the people who have been penalised in the meantime

Edited by Adrian W on Friday 29th July 17:43

Adrian W

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Monday 1st August 2016
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VolvoT5 said:
Alonso backing up the points being made..... i.e. selective broadcasting of messages create a false picture.......... http://www.planetf1.com/news/alonso-annoyed-with-r...
You are if you're SRV or Joe Bonammasa biggrin