ways to make Formula 1 interesting again
Discussion
Le TVR said:
They could consider the "concession" rules similar to those applied in MotoGP?
New teams could have:
- No engine development freeze
- unlimited testing
- 9 engines per season
Once the team achieves a certain number of points/podiums then the concessions are removed.
That's a pretty good way of evening things up, providing the new teams have the budget to support it.New teams could have:
- No engine development freeze
- unlimited testing
- 9 engines per season
Once the team achieves a certain number of points/podiums then the concessions are removed.
hairyben said:
Like Derek and MissChief both say formula 1 has never had the excitement in terms of quantity of on track passing that many mistakenly believe it did.
You could order the manufacturers to build more % into components like brakes etc that'd give drivers more margin to play with and maybe you should - The cracked renault chassis from bumping over a sausage kerbs begs the question whether the trimming has gone too far - but it's allways been a part of prototype racing.
F1's as much a game of chess as a pure motor race, theres always been a balence of hard racing with lulls while tactical strategies are played out and far more going on than just who can clatter their way to the front. If this isnt for you then fine, but constantly b!tching on here about the lack of your definition of excitement makes you sound like a simpleton at a chess touranament who doesnt really understand the game, complains at the lack of stuff going on, and suggests perhaps more custard pies should be thrown and a few rakes left out for people to stand on.
There are loads of motorsports with more on track thrills and spills, the motoGP is particularly good for combining fairing bashing with some of the prestige and moody politics of F1 so go try watching a few different things, theres enough tv channels and motorsport on telly, but for the love of god if you find one you like just enjoy it, without feeling the need to come along to tell us each week how F1 should be more like it eh?
Clearly you didn't see Rosberg and mansel banging wheels at brands, 86 European GP I thinkYou could order the manufacturers to build more % into components like brakes etc that'd give drivers more margin to play with and maybe you should - The cracked renault chassis from bumping over a sausage kerbs begs the question whether the trimming has gone too far - but it's allways been a part of prototype racing.
F1's as much a game of chess as a pure motor race, theres always been a balence of hard racing with lulls while tactical strategies are played out and far more going on than just who can clatter their way to the front. If this isnt for you then fine, but constantly b!tching on here about the lack of your definition of excitement makes you sound like a simpleton at a chess touranament who doesnt really understand the game, complains at the lack of stuff going on, and suggests perhaps more custard pies should be thrown and a few rakes left out for people to stand on.
There are loads of motorsports with more on track thrills and spills, the motoGP is particularly good for combining fairing bashing with some of the prestige and moody politics of F1 so go try watching a few different things, theres enough tv channels and motorsport on telly, but for the love of god if you find one you like just enjoy it, without feeling the need to come along to tell us each week how F1 should be more like it eh?
S0 What said:
85 brands was the european grand prix mansel and rosberg were team mates that year so no wheel banging.
Brands 86 was the british gran prix (laffite broke both legs and the race was susspended for an hour or so) Mansel and Rosberg were williams and McLaren respectivly.
It was an OK race, some good moments some really exciting moments and some horrific moments but mainly the usuall not a lot happening on track once the race was restarted, strange to remember a bit of wheel banging (and it was like 2 touches as Mansel flew past Rosberg and dissapeared off into the dstance) and not a driver ending his career but there you go? not my idea of exciting or something we want to return to.
both are on utube if you fancy a watch
As I said "I think" it didn't really matter but I've now checked, it was 1985 and Senna/Rosberg, I was thereBrands 86 was the british gran prix (laffite broke both legs and the race was susspended for an hour or so) Mansel and Rosberg were williams and McLaren respectivly.
It was an OK race, some good moments some really exciting moments and some horrific moments but mainly the usuall not a lot happening on track once the race was restarted, strange to remember a bit of wheel banging (and it was like 2 touches as Mansel flew past Rosberg and dissapeared off into the dstance) and not a driver ending his career but there you go? not my idea of exciting or something we want to return to.
both are on utube if you fancy a watch
Edited by S0 What on Wednesday 2nd November 00:13
FastRich said:
Make the current pilots be drivers.
De restrict engines. More power, more cylinders, more noise.
Throw away drs. I don't care if there have been more overtakes since drs. It's contrived overtaking. Out braking, out cornering, out accelerating - that's the fun of it, not drs rubbish.
Bring back fuel stops. Make the teams come up with their own strategy, not a follow the herd strategy.
Only have 2 tyres - wet and dry.
Use far less aero, it's boring.
Keep it simple. Let teams do what they want - the objective is to go fast and win the race. If there are worries about "only the rich teams winning" then cap the max spend.
Oh, who cares? F1 is crap anyway, BTCC & WEC is where the magic lies.
You were doing so well untill you said the taxi crashing championship was magic De restrict engines. More power, more cylinders, more noise.
Throw away drs. I don't care if there have been more overtakes since drs. It's contrived overtaking. Out braking, out cornering, out accelerating - that's the fun of it, not drs rubbish.
Bring back fuel stops. Make the teams come up with their own strategy, not a follow the herd strategy.
Only have 2 tyres - wet and dry.
Use far less aero, it's boring.
Keep it simple. Let teams do what they want - the objective is to go fast and win the race. If there are worries about "only the rich teams winning" then cap the max spend.
Oh, who cares? F1 is crap anyway, BTCC & WEC is where the magic lies.
mvagustaf4s said:
Make front & rear wings single & single plane - as in no little winglets and flutes, just a flat surface
Wings not exceed width of outer edges of tyres front & rear
Halve the length and double the width of the cars, double tyre width
Naturally aspirated 3 litre V10 engines with 15,000 rpm limits, no exotic materials
No fuel limit, just whatever you can carry in one tank (no refuelling)
No pit stops
alternatively watch MotoGP instead. Purer racing. 9 different winners this season so far.
Hang on, I can remember when they used to talk about the Honda laneWings not exceed width of outer edges of tyres front & rear
Halve the length and double the width of the cars, double tyre width
Naturally aspirated 3 litre V10 engines with 15,000 rpm limits, no exotic materials
No fuel limit, just whatever you can carry in one tank (no refuelling)
No pit stops
alternatively watch MotoGP instead. Purer racing. 9 different winners this season so far.
George29 said:
I'd say most of the major ones in some way or another... Renault, Ferrari, Honda, McLaren, Williams. Why can't you just accept that the manufacturers use it as R&D, hence the rules looking forward to road car development... as I've said before, if you want a reduced aero, normally aspirated engine class then good news - GP2 is for you
Can you please give me an example of a road car development that is a direct result of Formula 1?Road car electronics are and always have been more complex and more reliable, the car manufactures have huge development teams covering every aspect of vehicle engineering swamping the Fi numbers.
I think you will find that Formula one's contribution is a figment of the marketing departments imagination.
George29 said:
Carbon ceramic brakes. Semi auto gearboxes. Hybrid technology for several road cars is being designed at a certain F1 team using knowledge from the hybrid era drive trains. Carbon fibre chassis. There are many more examples too
This is going way off topic, but F1 brings very little new technology, they may choose to develop existing but that's it. give me one example of an F1 development that has found its way into everyday life.They sub out materiel stress testing to companies like Element, Carbon with wire in composite for embedded is outside F1, engines are engines and that's down to the rules.
we get far more from aviation and the military
There is a lot of marketing and people telling us how great they are.
F1 Racing said:
Sorry, but I had to step in. Merc may have lost a great deal of money, even after winning the double, but they still having the backing of a multi national road car company behind them, just like Ferrari!!
The likes of McLaren & Williams don't.
F1 can make road cars better, if the FIA let the engineers develop the technology that would in the future be used in road cars, batteries and electric motors for a start.
How? Companies like JLR employ more people in R&D than all of the people who work in F1 together and that is just one company, Toyota developed hybrid technology while the rest of the industry stood back and laughed.The likes of McLaren & Williams don't.
F1 can make road cars better, if the FIA let the engineers develop the technology that would in the future be used in road cars, batteries and electric motors for a start.
With the current set up all F1 is good at is spending huge amounts of cash
Please give me one innovation that has come from F1?
What was your job in F1?
George29 said:
Do you realise that even though the idea may have come from F1, it doesn't mean it was used or allowed within the regulations. Mclaren developed a hybrid F1 car in 1998 for example. What about the brake steer used on Mclarens? Originated from having the twin brake pedal which was promptly banned
What possible use would brake steer have in a road car? Loads of companies played with Hybrids however it was Toyota that made it work.This has little to do with making F1 interesting
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I sill reckon it's simple tyres and wings
Eric Mc said:
The way things are going there might be NO F1 in ten years time.
Outside the UK Formuka E is developing very quickly and is popular with a much younger fan base.I went to a bash at the 2015 London round, where they had Branson, the boss of Airbus and a few other powerful types all saying the future is electric and that is where the money is going.
Edited by Adrian W on Saturday 5th November 10:39
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