GT86 Full Autocar Road Test
Discussion
iantek said:
s m said:
Wonder if they'll put the Subaru through the same test?
That would be interesting, in the name of science if anything else.I guess the logistics of getting 2 sought after demos at the same time, both in manual spec, is very tricky
Chris71 said:
Haven't got hold of my copy yet, but wasn't there a comment on one of the other threads saying it had returned nearly 45 mpg on a run? Not bad for a sports car.
On the Autocar Touring route it managed 44.9mpg. ( better than the Govt extra urban claimed of 44.1 )The On track mpg was 14.4mpg
Test average was 30.2mpg
Beefmeister said:
I drove it up the hill at Goodwood last week, and in all honesty - it is too slow.
Under 5000 rpm there is nothing, nada, zip. Then between 5k and 7k there's adequate performance. But as the guy from Toyota sitting next to me said, if you use it in the power band all the time you'll get about 20mpg.
I wonder if these engines are 'tight' from new i.e. if they will get faster as they loosen up a bit like the old Mk2 Golf 16v?Under 5000 rpm there is nothing, nada, zip. Then between 5k and 7k there's adequate performance. But as the guy from Toyota sitting next to me said, if you use it in the power band all the time you'll get about 20mpg.
I know they aren't about standing starts etc but as it hits 60 in second gear ( according to test ) I wonder if they do put out their full power when new? Should have enough traction and a snappy gearchange
Captain Muppet said:
Beefmeister said:
I drove it up the hill at Goodwood last week, and in all honesty - it is too slow.
Going up hills in makes cars feel slow shock.Glad my test drive is in Norfolk.
E30 M3 - 0-100 19.0 seconds, 0-120 29.8 seconds, ss 1/4 15.7 @ 92mph
GT86 0-100 18.8 seconds, 0-120 30.7 seconds, ss 1/4 15.7 @ 91.5mph
Looks like the horses are pretty much there then
Conor D said:
s m said:
The Toyota claimed weight for the car was 1275kg - this came in at 1235kg actual.
I reckon that was without driver/passenger and V-box
I have the Toyota handbook in front of me here, weight's down as 1240-1275 (minimum-maximum).I reckon that was without driver/passenger and V-box
Anyway, I'm sure they'll be some tolerance built into the Millbrook scales - perhaps the high figure is autobox???
otolith said:
Froomee said:
With the average fuel economy equating to 30mpg approx (despite not being particularly powerful)
That included the track testing, by the way, they got almost 45mpg on the road.On the Autocar Touring route it managed 44.9mpg. ( better than the Govt extra urban claimed of 44.1 )
The On track mpg was 14.4mpg
Test average was 30.2mpg
ghibbett said:
Bezza1969 said:
I'd agree, but what I dont understand is why it is 2+ seconds slower to 100 MPH than the Ep3 Civic Type R which also had 197 BHP, similar torque and weighed only 31KG less.
Gearing perhaps?The Honda turned in a ss km time of 27.8 @ 119mph whereas the slightly heavier GT86 did a 28.4@116.7mph
Wasn't the FN2 a bit heavier and slower ( similar performance to the Toyota )?
Beefmeister said:
Okay, 'too slow' may be misleading.
What surely no-one can deny is that it has an engine with poor performance in most of the rev range, with most of it up top.
If you were going along 4th at 40mph you'd need to drop 2 gears for an overtake IMO, when a drop to 3rd would normally be required.
People only seem to see the negatives in what i've said - i really liked the car in every respect other than the engine responsiveness and power band.
I was interested to see how it compared to something like an E30 M3 in-gear - thought that was a similar sort of car, revvy engine, similar weight and power, slim tyres, rwd, similar f/r distribution....just for fun comparison What surely no-one can deny is that it has an engine with poor performance in most of the rev range, with most of it up top.
If you were going along 4th at 40mph you'd need to drop 2 gears for an overtake IMO, when a drop to 3rd would normally be required.
People only seem to see the negatives in what i've said - i really liked the car in every respect other than the engine responsiveness and power band.
The first 3 gears run to similar speeds - obviously the GT86 has an extra gear so they're spaced a bit differently from 4th up.
At 70mph plus speeds, the in-gear times using the fastest available give nothing away. Lower down from 30 up to the speed limit, in 3rd the M3 just has an edge.
Be interesting to see how the EVO test E30 M3 vs 123d comparison would be with this new GT86 in place of the M-car.
Not that it really matters of course, I just like reading about this new car and look forward to getting a steer of one sometime
purpleliability said:
The weight is interesting, is that what Autocar actually measured or what Toyota claim? I'd like to see how it compares to things like the Audi TT, Megan etc. Measured weight, not manufacturers quoted figures.
I recently had my Cerbera weighted with half a tank of fuel, book says it should be 1100kg...
As an aside, Autocar tested a 4.2 Cerbera in 6/96 and it weighed in at 1177kg - so maybe yours isn't such a fatty? I recently had my Cerbera weighted with half a tank of fuel, book says it should be 1100kg...
Ford lied about my old car's weight too when I had it weighed....although it had only put on 14kg
- even tyres can make a few kg difference deviating from original spec ( plus scale/bridge tolerance )BigTom85 said:
s m said:
Just looking at 1987 test of E30 M3 - 200bhp - test weight 1252kg
E30 M3 - 0-100 19.0 seconds, 0-120 29.8 seconds, ss 1/4 15.7 @ 92mph
GT86 0-100 18.8 seconds, 0-120 30.7 seconds, ss 1/4 15.7 @ 91.5mph
Looks like the horses are pretty much there then
I know 25 years have passed, but blimey I wasn't expecting that! E30 M3 - 0-100 19.0 seconds, 0-120 29.8 seconds, ss 1/4 15.7 @ 92mph
GT86 0-100 18.8 seconds, 0-120 30.7 seconds, ss 1/4 15.7 @ 91.5mph
Looks like the horses are pretty much there then
Froomee said:
Agreed, but I could get 30mpg+ out of my Focus ST if I stuck in 6th out of the boost(65/70mph) but the average was 22-24mpg depending on how it was driven. I suspect been driven as intended around 30mpg is fair.
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Shows we've come a way in 25 years.
Note how the gentle driving mpg has improved 26 -> 44 mpg
braddo said:
I bought the Autocar magazine at lunchtime. For those who don't see the appeal of this car or its combination of attributes etc, I cannot emphasise enough how much you should read (properly) the article.
Some of the detail about its design show how deliberately and carefully this car was packaged. A few highlights discussed are:
- only 9% component sharing with other models
- description about a horizontal dashboard and a centre line reflection
- driving position
- weight distribution no 50/50
- amount of changes made to its engine compared with Subaru's other boxers
And read the conclusion and the dilemma in addressing any shortcomings the magazine sees.
The car's power is basically a delicate compromise between acceptable performance, economy, CO2, tax banding, insurance rating and most importantly, the car's overall balance as a package.
Did you see the little bit where they said they hadn't gone for an exact 50/50 split but 53:47 ( 55:45 in case of the test car ) as it made it handle that little bit 'better'? Some interesting snippets in there...also enjoyed Sutcliffe's column Some of the detail about its design show how deliberately and carefully this car was packaged. A few highlights discussed are:
- only 9% component sharing with other models
- description about a horizontal dashboard and a centre line reflection
- driving position
- weight distribution no 50/50
- amount of changes made to its engine compared with Subaru's other boxers
And read the conclusion and the dilemma in addressing any shortcomings the magazine sees.
The car's power is basically a delicate compromise between acceptable performance, economy, CO2, tax banding, insurance rating and most importantly, the car's overall balance as a package.
LordGrover said:
I've ordered the manual 86 - due second week of August.
for me 200PS in < 1,300 kgs on skinny (prius) rubber is a hoot. My test drive was in the wet, by the way. Even in sport mode roundabouts were tail wagging fun at 25 mph
I can only gaze with envy at the massive grip from your 215s .... for me 200PS in < 1,300 kgs on skinny (prius) rubber is a hoot. My test drive was in the wet, by the way. Even in sport mode roundabouts were tail wagging fun at 25 mph
Nice work on ordering one though - what colour?
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