M25. Is there any point in it anymore?

[fatboy b]

Having endured it from the M20 to the M40 yesterday, taking 2 hours of start, stop, and managed bollux that alternated between 40 & 50 at every gantry, I don't think it's able to do it's original job anymore. Going past Heathrow, both directions of 4-5 lanes each side were standstill much of the time.

Unsure what the alternative is, maybe a super-M25 about 20 miles further out?

[fatboy b]

SuperHangOn said:

Steffan said:

Without the M25 travel around London would be virtually impossible in reasonable time. Sadly with the unfettered growth of the UK population and consequent transport needs there is no easy answer. More people working with less business travelling would be good but traffic is and will remain a perennial problem in the UK. Just look at the schools effect alone on traffic as a marker.

Truth of it.

To get through London I've gone back to using the scenic Hanger Lane/ North Circ route rather than the M25 because if you're going to crawl in traffic you might as well choose the way with fewer miles.

Yep. That's my point.