Bikers - Undertaking, do we have any sympathy ?

[phib]

Now I will point out that I am an ex biker both road and off road and my on road biking was ended by a car driver hitting me.

Over the last couple of days I have seen two bikers hit on the M25, One who walked away and one who didn’t, M25 shut tonight. The one who got up was ranting at the car driver who in my opinion legally had done nothing wrong.

Both had undertaken and got hit by a car changing lane, now I see this every day and see bikers get annoyed when someone doesn’t see them and cuts across the front of them.

I am afraid I am now in the position that I have no sympathy for them, unless I am mistaken legally they are not allowed to undertake which most of them seem to do all the time. Some at speed some within the legal limits.

But I am afraid I am in the no sympathy camp.

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[phib]

I may be confusing filtering with undertaking, the two I saw were traveling at c. 50mph when normal traffic doing say 15mph to 20 mph.

Car in front of me ( where the biker walked away) indicating to move from outside lane to middle lane, probably didnt look well enough but wasnt stricktly doing anything wrong (I dont think ?) and the bike "filtering" couldnt stop so straight into side of car.

Phib

[phib]

Codswallop said:

If the rider was genuinely filtering with such a speed differential, then they were asking for trouble. Three points to consider however:

1)the bike will have looked like it was going faster than it was due to perspective etc
2)car driver was an idiot for manoeuvring without adequate use of mirrors or signal
3)bike rider was an idiot for filtering too fast

Very fair points, I agree you cant judge speeds in a side / rear view mirror so I may be well out on the speed and agreed car driver an idiot for manovering without checking properly.

Any which way a bike at what ever speed makes a real mess of 5 cars when it catapults over one in slow moving traffic, thought in the end the biker was going to be lynched !!

I guess my point was I thought the rule was always ride and be prepared to stop within your line of sight. Which obviously these guys couldnt do.

For a balanced view I have seen loads of cars overtake on the inside recently, it seems to be the season for it !!

Last point I didnt realise filtering wasnt illegal so you learn smomething new every day

Phib

[phib]

Interesting the police basically said it was the biker that hit the car not the car that hit the bike (I assume as he was technically behind) therefore it was his fault and the others had to claim off his insurance.

They didnt say much else as they were pretty miffed with the masssive tail back at that point

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[phib]

Mastodon2 said:

How much "riding" of this bike did you do? Did you sit in traffic like you were in a car?

Never really sat in traffic there isn't much on the track or green lanes !!

Road bikes were Saturday morning blasts, Ducati 748 and 916. Never rode them on motorways, not that I don't want to ride them on motorways just wasn't my kind of riding and didn't need to do, we also didn't have many motorways where I lived !!

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[phib]

g3org3y said:

Thats filtering then ?


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Edited by phib on Thursday 23 October 13:36