RE: Haldex - the truth!

RE: Haldex - the truth!

Tuesday 24th March 2015

Haldex - the truth!

Why on-demand four-wheel drive may not be the demon it's perceived to be



All-wheel drive is the new rear-wheel drive. Or least that's what the makers pushing sportier cars would have us believe. But AWD systems are not all created equal, and we've moved a long way from the centre diffs and full-time systems of the likes of the Ford Sierra Cosworth.

These days, the chances are it'll be a front-drive, transverse engine set-up mated to a Haldex-style coupling to activate the rears. But what are these systems and can they ever replicate the rear-biased machinery of popular legend?

Latest Haldex systems are better than ever
Latest Haldex systems are better than ever
All-wheel drive is everywhere these days. In fact figures from European manufacturers' association ACEA show that last year 12 per cent of all cars sold in the UK came with AWD. That equates to around 300,000 cars and marks a record. Back in 1990 for example just 2.6 per cent of cars were AWD, or 4x4 as it was more properly known back when the majority came with a transfer box.

Of course between now and then we've had the crossover explosion and you already know the bulk of those 300,000 last year were all-wheel drive versions of things the Nissan Qashqai. But there are also and more sporting models with AWD, most recently seen in the 320hp+ Ford Focus RS.

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The trend has not just been with front-drive cars but rear-drivers too, particularly as the torque output has risen higher and higher. "Five years ago makers were saying, this sports car will always be rear-wheel drive only. Now we're talking to all manufacturers about the possible of having their cars AWD," Rob Rickell, president of group technology for GKN Driveline, tells us.

The VW Group has been ploughing this furrow for years using centre Torsen differentials on bigger Audi Quattros and Haldex on-demand couplings for Golf-based cars like the Audi A3. They've even stuck it into a car as small as the Audi A1.

Permanent 4WD becoming less popular
Permanent 4WD becoming less popular
Other suppliers make these electronic front-drive couplings, GKN and JTEKT are two big ones, but Haldex is the best known. Mainly because it was this Swedish company, bought by Borg Warner in 2010, that first perfected the electronic on-demand coupling.

On demand
Its system pushed a percentage of power to the rears when the fronts started to scrabble for grip and was quickly adopted by makers who loved that it didn't require a bulky transfer case and didn't chew through fuel because the majority of the time the rear shafts weren't spinning.

The first two generations from 1998 purely reacted to the slip on the front wheels. Without getting too technical, a Haldex system consists of a hydraulic pump, a clutch and an electronic valve. Early Haldex systems used the difference in speed between two shafts either side (i.e. when there was slip) to activate the pump and connect the rears, while the last three generations from 2004 don't need the slip to activate the pump and so can anticipate when power at the rear is needed.

Focus to take on-demand AWD to new level?
Focus to take on-demand AWD to new level?
Most people agree, it's now damn good at what it does. "It's fast, very efficient, very responsive and light, everything the maker wants to have," says Markus Baum, project manager at analysts Roland Berger, a guy whose job it is to assess these systems for finance customers.

The current fifth-gen Haldex can sends about 10-15 per cent of power to the rear in normal driving and more when the fronts slip. How much more is a matter of debate. Not more than 50 per cent is generally agreed, although Ford claims 70 per cent for its new Focus RS (not confirmed as Haldex, but likely). All Haldex will say is that it depends on the customer.

How little can be sent to the rear was highlighted by Swedish magazine Teknikens Varld who stuck a Honda CR-V on a ramp with its front wheels on rollers. It didn't move. Honda changed the software and last year the mag tried again. It didn't move. "As you can see, this is a two-wheel drive car," the presenter says in the video.

Ford is promising driftable on-demand AWD
Ford is promising driftable on-demand AWD
Confidence trick
Honda then admitted that its all-wheel drive system (maker unknown) was designed to be "compact, lightweight and fuel-efficient" and then said "if all the available torque required to move the vehicle forward would be transferred to the rear differential then the limit for the torque of the unit would be exceeded".

GKN's Rickell says American and European customers specify more robust systems. But the truth is the car is never going to feel like it's being pushed from the rear. At least not without a bit of help from an active vectoring system.

These have the potential to be the magic ingredient that truly brings enthusiasts like us round to the idea of electronic couplings on all-wheel-drives. The most famous recent convert is the Ford Focus RS, which has GKN's Twinster system coupled to the all-wheel drive set-up. "For what the RS needs to do, this is absolutely going to raise the chinning bar once again on performance," the head of Ford Performance, Dave Pericak, told PistonHeads on its launch.

Haldex-style front 'diff' transforms Leon Cupra
Haldex-style front 'diff' transforms Leon Cupra
We had a taste of what's coming while driving a Mini Countryman equipped with the same Twinster system on a recent trip to Arjeplog, northern Sweden. It was hilariously good fun, as much fun as you're likely to have on four wheels. Ford is saying that the RS will come with a 'Drift' button that exploits the torque vectoring's ability to send what rear-directed power there is entirely to one side or the other thanks to its electric clutches.

In the Countryman, drifting was incredibly easy on the iced tracks - not typical a UK surface for sure, but very helpful in comparing a standard all-wheel drive Countryman and a Twinster equipped car. The drifting was easier to instigate and came back into line much more gently. More usefully the Twinster car held around 15mph more speed on a skidpan circle thanks to its ability to 'overspeed' the outer wheel, something that much reduces understeer.

Back to front
Active torque vectoring is becoming more common, even if some makers keep it an option. The new (and very obviously) rear-drive Mercedes-AMG C63 for example has one if you specify the £6,750 S model, while the Golf GTI has Haldex's front-axle VAQ system if you specify the Performance Pack. The Seat Lean Cupra also has it. Haldex itself says this is a "cost-effective and fuel-efficient alternative to all-wheel drive" that might well be favoured by less exotic hot hatches in the future, but there's no doubt the rear-mounted torque vectoring is the one to go for if you're serious about performance.

GKN Twinster torque vectoring already on Evoque
GKN Twinster torque vectoring already on Evoque
"If it's front dominant and still understeering, you can get closer to becoming more sporty with the use of torque vectoring," GKN's Rickell says. GKN is working with another manufacturer to put Twinster into a high-performance saloon, possibly a fast Jaguar XE given GKN's relationship with JLR (Twinster is also on the petrol versions of the Range Rover Evoque).

If someone had said 10 years ago that BMW was moving to Haldex to provide an all-wheel drive solution for front-driven cars (as it's doing with the 2 Series Active Tourer) we would have been horrified. But these days the tech has come along so far dynamically and is so good at the dreary but important job of not consuming too much fuel that it's now intriguing more than anything else.

 

[Sources: Teknikens Vaerld, via YouTube]

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cerb4.5lee

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I still prefer RWD but I can see the benefits of Haldex in terms of getting the power down in wet and slippery conditions and the Haldex in the old TTS we had did enable decent grip if not the most involving drive but the newer versions of Haldex are meant to be very good indeed.

cerb4.5lee

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lee_erm said:
My only experience of Haldex was with an R32. It wasn't very good. I'm sure things have moved on however smile
They keep saying things have moved on...but that only seems to be the ones that manufacture the Haldex system and the people that actually own or have owned cars with Haldex tend to have the opposite view in that it isn't very good.

You do read positive things about the Golf R/S3 and the like though...I was always told don't believe everything you read and this could be a good example!! hehe

cerb4.5lee

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Hooli said:
I really don't understand all this technology being used to cure the basic fault that the cars should be RWD with a Haldex feeding some power to the front as needed.
yes

cerb4.5lee

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Mr Whippy said:
I'd have a decent fwd over a crap rwd any day of the week.
I genuinely agree with most of your threads Dave thumbup but I have never really understood this and I just cant like fwd for love or money and having owned a Haldex equipped car that has made me hate them even more to be fair.

I respect fwd cars are safe and are actually quicker in some situations but I find them frustrating and not very enjoyable to drive and the understeer just drives me mad and at least with rwd you do have some adjustability rather than a fwd just ploughing straight on at every corner.

A friend of mine hates rwd though and always argues with me because he is a massive fan of fwd(for some daft reason!) so it just shows we all like different things.smile

Maybe its because I haven't experienced a cracking fwd motor because everyone waxes lyrical about the Renault sport cars so maybe I am just missing something.

cerb4.5lee

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stevesingo said:
I think you are doing something wrong.

I love my RWD cars as much as the next stereotypical PH'er, but even some of the more mundane FWD cars can corner with great balance and adjustability.

Part of the challenge of driving is the drives adaptation to the dynamic characteristics of the car. A slow in fast out cornering style with a dab of oppo might be fine for powerful RWD car but will not be the most satisfying with a FWD car as you are limited as to how much power you can apply to the wheels without compromising the ability to control direction. Likewise, turning in on a trailing brake, getting the car rotated early and carrying as much speed as you can through the apex is maybe not the best (easiest to control) way to negotiate a corner with a powerful RWD car.

There is satisfaction to be had from both; it is up to the driver to satisfy themselves.

For the record there FWD, RWD and AWD vehicles that are not satisfying to drive. It is not exclusive to FWD.
As you say I just don't think the way I drive seems to suit FWD and I have always got on better with RWD for some reason, I remember a few years ago when I had a mk5 RS2000 and I entered a roundabout too fast and the rear end started to come round and I just didn't know what to do!

If that had happened in a RWD I would have been fine with it without drama and I just don't think I have ever mastered the art of enjoying a FWD car to its full potential, another example was when I had my Mondeo V6 and I entered a corner quite quickly and it just ploughed straight on and I nearly ended up in someone`s front garden!

Since then I have stuck with RWD because I am either not safe or capable of driving quickly in a FWD car and I will now leave FWD well alone and I think its for the best!

cerb4.5lee

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RobM77 said:
If it was a BMW petrol engine with that horrible lag they have at the top of the pedal then I'd be the other way round and would want the diesel! hehe We all have our own priorities though, and in retrospect I should have written "120i/120d vs Golf GTi". Mind you, the straight line performance is very different, so perhaps 130d/130i vs Golf GTi would be more appropriate.
Its a shame they never did a 130d Rob and that would have made for an interesting drive with all the torque!

cerb4.5lee

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RobM77 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
RobM77 said:
If it was a BMW petrol engine with that horrible lag they have at the top of the pedal then I'd be the other way round and would want the diesel! hehe We all have our own priorities though, and in retrospect I should have written "120i/120d vs Golf GTi". Mind you, the straight line performance is very different, so perhaps 130d/130i vs Golf GTi would be more appropriate.
Its a shame they never did a 130d Rob and that would have made for an interesting drive with all the torque!
yes You're quite right - 123d was as high as they went wasn't it? Power is irrelevant to me though in the discussion of FWD vs RWD, thus my original comparison smile

I think most people are going to have an overlap between their impressions of the two layouts, the question is how big that overlap is. I'd rather have a BMW or Merc than virtually any FWD car I think of, but I'd rather have an Integra Type R than an ageing Cortina. To bring things back on topic, for me the overlap between 4WD and FWD is much closer. It's a three way Venn diagram spin
I agree there are a few very good FWD models and like you I like the Integra also like the Clio Trophy too, I don't mind the rear bias 4WD set ups either and in my old X5 you could feel it shift all its power to the rear and the front used to go light under full power but I wasn't that keen on the Haldex system on the TTS it was just too FWD led.

My old XR4x4 set up I really liked too and I used to enjoy winding the revs right up and dropping the clutch and it just used to shoot off the line(maybe not shoot because it only did 0 to 60 in 8.2 secs!!)

cerb4.5lee

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PorkRind said:
Still tripe compared to a proper 4wd system.
yes and I have always thought that too.