Some Professional Cyclists don't follow traffic laws.

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Even some Pros think they are above the law, could have been nasty.

Paris-Roubaix in train near-miss
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/32278898

Edited to change the word 'the' into the word 'some' highlighted in bold.

Edited by civicduty on Monday 13th April 16:48

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BGarside said:

civicduty said:

Even the Pros think they are above the law, could have been nasty.

Paris-Roubaix in train near-miss
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/32278898

'Above the law'? Perhaps it has something to do with it being a RACE, therefore the idea is not to stop! The organisers are at fault for running the race over a level crossing.

Perhaps I can draw your attention to the numerous drivers who don't bother stopping for closing level crossing gates, or pedestrian crossings for that matter, and they're not even racing. Go on, have a look on Youtube.

But don't let that get in the way of having a little dig at cyclists in general.

Yeah it's all the organisers fault, no wait, actually it's the bad example set by all the nasty drivers and pedestrians, because these so called professionals have no mind of their own so need to follow everyone else's bad behaviour.

Get real, these bikes have brakes and the riders have eyes. If the barrier is down the a train is probably coming, make a grown up decision and wait for the danger to pass, unless they are too stupid.

Edited by civicduty on Monday 13th April 11:20

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ewenm said:

French railways are looking to prosecute those who jumped the barriers.

Good.

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tfin said:

Crossing a level crossing is forbidden under race rules:

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/58723156141165363...

And the French version of the Road Traffic Act I imagine.

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heebeegeetee said:

I can remember the good old days when men were men and petrolheads would rejoice in seeing professional car rally drivers nursing damaged cars on the public highway.

Now, the PC brigade has turned us into a right load of limp-wristed moaning minnies.

If this happened today I think we'd be asking why Tommi Mäkinen was only stopped from going further, and wasn't arrested like the rest of us would be, etc etc.

Watch this, it's great, especially from 2.57 on, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60b0O9VnKEE
but OP, you might feint so at least be sat down if you watch it.

No don't think I am going to 'feint'

feint1
feɪnt/
noun
1.
a deceptive or pretended blow, thrust, or other movement, especially in boxing or fencing.
"a brief feint at the opponent's face"
verb
1.
make a deceptive or distracting movement, especially during a fight.
"Adam feinted with his right and then swung a left"

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yonex said:

xRIEx said:

Did you feel you must post that because you think I'm anti-cycling and you must defend cyclists, or because I'm anti-muppet and you feel you must defend muppets?

ETA: I bet on your drive home tonight you wear your seatbelt

Let's not bring muppets into this, I doubt if in this little PC world of ours we would be allowed to portray a couple of old folks as forgetful bigots and label a Swedish chef as a madman.

The issue is the OP was 'outraged', for what exactly, then tried to use this thin story as a vehicle (ho ho) for a dig at cyclists in general. That is what I am ridiculing

At no point did I say I was 'outraged' don't put words in my mouth or text on a screen. I am a cyclist, purely as a vehicle (ho ho), to aid fitness.

I merely highlighted this news story in the General Gassing portion of a Motoring Forum to highlight the failings in some cycling Role Models.

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yonex said:

Then you kind of shot yourself in the foot.

Good luck with the fitness, watch out for level crossings.

Nah I prefer bridges, network rail are even making them higher around my way.

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yonex said:

It still doesn't make sense why you would quote that story as you did, especially as you claim to be a cyclist? Are you including yourself in the masses that don't follow traffic laws?

I don't know is this your masses and or my masses? Why are we talking about masses anyway?

My thread title was to indicate that people who are being filmed and make a living from cycling still break the law much the same as amateur cyclists I see whilst driving and cycling that break the law. Whereas I feel those who are at the pinnacle of their sport, who people might look to as role models shouldn't set a bad example.

civicduty said:

Even the Pros think they are above the law, could have been nasty.

Paris-Roubaix in train near-miss
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/32278898

Only the first sentence is mine the second came with the hyperlink. In the first sentence I feel I repeated portion of the title which was a statement and then an opinion, because it could have been nasty.

People normally complain when someone puts a link up with no corresponding statement or opinion so that is why one is there.

If I come upon a news story of Formula 1 drivers racing down a road and then going round a level crossing barrier I would probably post that as well with the same sort of title with the same sort of sentiment in the OP.

Don't why some cyclists get touchy about this. They are bad cyclists that go through Red lights, go through level crossings and break other traffic laws. This was just a post to highlight these guys didn't do cycling any favours.

When a group of professional racing drivers do something similar I will happily back up my idea that they should be role models to other drivers and that other drivers do indeed break the same traffic laws as cyclists do and that to, is a stupid thing to do.

Not quite sure how so much was inferred from the initial 20 words I posted up.

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Whilst most of your examples are ancient history that aren't really relevant to this modern day discussion, even your Lewis example is 5 years old, and he was detained, car impounded, called a dhead by some Australian minister and had to say sorry, oh yeah he really got away with that one.

You aren't half full of crap arguments.

Edited by civicduty on Monday 13th April 20:01

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yonex said:

Keep digging.

The fact is you posted something up hoping to get universal approval but it didn't really go to plan. You don't really cycle and don't really know much about the mindset of racers, cyclists or otherwise. I suggest sticking to what you do know in future, whatever that may be?

BTW it's 'arguements'...I know you're quite particular when it comes to spelling.

Keep Digging

I am a cyclist but believe whatever you want.

Universal approval, yeah that's the reason to post on PH!

Great spelling lesson, thanks for that.

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Can't be bothered to open up the garage or go and get some packet custard, so here is a photo from when I bought it.

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No never done any form of racing either.

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0836whimper said:

Seat is too low, chain is not on big ring and that saddle bag is prepostorously big. Clearly not a cyclist.

Legs are too short, fitness too low, phone won't fit in anything smaller.

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I thought reflectors were a legal requirement, wouldn't want to do anything wrong, I wear a helmet as well.

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anonymous said:

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I have a Kona Roast at work as well.

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Mave said:

Not on the wheels.
Got a red one on the rear, and on the front and rear of each pedal?

Thanks for the info, I can save some weight now.

As for the pedals I will have to go and check now won't I.

The rear light the bike came with incorporates a red reflector.

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Mave said:

Better put it back on then....

Well it mostly lives here now,




As it won't go round my seat post because of the stupidly large saddle bag. Does it have to be fitted to the bike or just showing to the rear?

ETA - I have checked the Highway Code and going by rule 60 looks like I will lose the weight saving from the wheel reflectors as I have to fit a rear red one to the bike, disappointing.

Edited by civicduty on Tuesday 14th April 00:29

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thelawnet said:

not to mention the sticker on the front which suggests it has never been ridden.

Did you also notice in the post with the picture that I said this was from when I bought it.

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heebeegeetee said:

civicduty said:

When a group of professional racing drivers do something similar I will happily back up my idea that they should be role models to other drivers

And yet you didn't. You dismissed it as ancient history, even the 5 year old example.

civicduty said:

No never done any form of racing either.

Racing! In a category of the sport that doesn't require a race licence.

Oh come on, give it a rest, you've lost this one.

You're just a typical hypocritical car driver that believes the rules of the road only apply to others. The roads are chock full of them.

I did have the start of a long reply but my phone deleted it so I will keep it short.

You don't know me personally, so you can't actually pass judgement on me. You might come back and say it is your opinion, but it has no validity, in fact it is about as valid as me calling you a racist.

As for the other dig you had, I won't let you belittle my participation in the Motorsport discipline of Sprinting.

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heebeegeetee said:

1. It's nothing personal, but it's a stupid thread and you're gonna get the rise took out of you for creating it. Pro cyclists are, or should be, role models you say. My god, is there a group of people less suited to be role models, with their drug taking?

As someone has said, these anti-cycling threads are now every other day. All this is doing imo is reflecting the attitudes of the dribbling masses out there, and not a group of supposedly enlightened motorists.

As a (large now, admittedly) group of keen motorists, for whom speed matters, we do possibly set out and break a lot of laws, I know I do. So where the hell does this near-daily finger pointing exercise at a similar group come from, especially when it has to be said that the other group very rarely does any harm to others, unlike us motorists. It is all so breath-takingly stupid and hypocritical.

2. Where did I do that? It was your participation in 'racing' that I was questioning. Fact is, you can't race on a speed licence, so are speed events races?

I participate myself, and personally I see it as a form of time trialling. But whatever it is, the only thing I'm 'racing' against is the clock.

1. London Olympics Cycling Team (The Great Britain and N Ireland team, that is).
2. I have said my bit.

Edited by civicduty on Tuesday 14th April 08:26