Nobody likes Porsche Drivers?
Discussion
nlm13 said:
My wife has a Speed yellow Boxster, so not very subtle. She get let out of junctions etc all the time, but she doesn't drive like a knobhead, or treat other non porsche drivers as a knobhead either. Maybe its just the OP?
To be clear:I wasn't saying if you don't drive a Porsche you are a knob
Some cars cleary bring out jealousy in people more than others a Porsche more than an Aston for example
No doubt I have ruffled a few feathers!
Bennet said:
Cpb1702 said:
I wasn't saying if you don't drive a Porsche you are a knob
So who are these knob heads it shows you are better than?Cpb1702 said:
I quite like it shows we are different and better than the knobeads of this world!
MrBarry123 said:
f
king hell - lighten up.
The OP stated that his Cayenne made him feel superior to other knobheads as if the car some way elevated his social status.
I'd imagine that the majority of Cayennes are leased nowadays and therefore, whilst still a lovely automobile, not something which demonstrates how wealthy/successful/fabulous you are anymore but rather how much credit you're happy to expose yourself to.
For the record, I'm all for leased cars and completely understand why people opt for them.
I got the car as wanted better safety for family, and was best car for the money at the time and if you looked at depreciation and yes I do lease as I prefer to put my money elsewhere.king hell - lighten up.The OP stated that his Cayenne made him feel superior to other knobheads as if the car some way elevated his social status.
I'd imagine that the majority of Cayennes are leased nowadays and therefore, whilst still a lovely automobile, not something which demonstrates how wealthy/successful/fabulous you are anymore but rather how much credit you're happy to expose yourself to.
For the record, I'm all for leased cars and completely understand why people opt for them.
You are right a car does not make one person superior over another.
The thread is about jealousy towards a car.
GreenArrow said:
Amazing thread this one!
I will try and give the Op a serious reply. Porsches in general sometimes generate more hostility than other cars amongst other road users. I think it goes back to the yuppie tag from the 1980s when they were associated with all that was wrong with Thatcherism. Personally I love them (Porsche's not Thatcherism).
However in the case of the Cayenne it is hostility towards the largest SUVs which is frequently a result of how aggressively some of them are driven (RR Sports IMO and Audi Q7s are the worst), combined with the aforementioned prejudice against Porsches that combines to create this reaction.
Hope this helps!
As for all the "not a proper" Porsche comments made against Cayennes. I have some sympathy with those remarks as I would rather Porsche only made sports cars, but I also feel that as long as the sale of Cayennes creates sufficient profits for Porsche to come up with gems like the GT3/GT3RS I don't mind so much!
Great comments and sensible pointsI will try and give the Op a serious reply. Porsches in general sometimes generate more hostility than other cars amongst other road users. I think it goes back to the yuppie tag from the 1980s when they were associated with all that was wrong with Thatcherism. Personally I love them (Porsche's not Thatcherism).
However in the case of the Cayenne it is hostility towards the largest SUVs which is frequently a result of how aggressively some of them are driven (RR Sports IMO and Audi Q7s are the worst), combined with the aforementioned prejudice against Porsches that combines to create this reaction.
Hope this helps!
As for all the "not a proper" Porsche comments made against Cayennes. I have some sympathy with those remarks as I would rather Porsche only made sports cars, but I also feel that as long as the sale of Cayennes creates sufficient profits for Porsche to come up with gems like the GT3/GT3RS I don't mind so much!
Robert Elise said:
to be a little scientific about this... i'm the same person in the same clothes driving different cars. If i'm in the Morgan i get nothing but appreciation, even from the Gendarmes who stopped me for being 40 over the limit. just love all around! I'm torn whether to keep this car as it's more an event than a 'proper' driver's car, but the lack of hassle and joy i have when touring means it has a useful role.
Also, being very judgemental myself, i don't see many new Porches being driven by (what i think are) petrolheads.
Some cars receive more positive appreciation in the same way as I am referring to in the negative.Also, being very judgemental myself, i don't see many new Porches being driven by (what i think are) petrolheads.
How can you tell who is a petrolhead? Do they look a particular way?
Matt UK said:
Region: Cheshire.
Try moving down south, far more civilised part of the world.
Plus, everyone here has at least one Porsche for daily commuting / shopping / airport / tip runs, so you won't stick out like a sore thumb.
Ha ha we aren't all flat caps and working in the mines.Try moving down south, far more civilised part of the world.
Plus, everyone here has at least one Porsche for daily commuting / shopping / airport / tip runs, so you won't stick out like a sore thumb.
Timfy said:
I don't think it's a Porsche thing, my 'Poverty Pork' style 986 hasn't attracted any bad reactions or behaviour (with the exception of one muppet in a manky 20 year old Hyundai who for some reason saw fit to wind the window down and yell C**T at the top of his voice as he went past whilst I waited in to turn right from a main road- some people are just strange..)
It's more likely a massive, unnecessary, blingy "look at me" SUV thing.
So you have seen it for real. Suv as baby was on the way and wanted safety just as I was looking for two seater sports car!
It's more likely a massive, unnecessary, blingy "look at me" SUV thing.
So you have seen it for real. Suv as baby was on the way and wanted safety just as I was looking for two seater sports car!
Edited by Timfy on Monday 25th May 16:01
Thanks for the debate all. Got to go now. Family hopefully expanding in the next few hours. It has kept me entertained whilst waiting.
I hope no one took any offence as it wasn't meant. I could have worded my post slightly better but hey I'm new to this.
More important things than cars.
Take care
I hope no one took any offence as it wasn't meant. I could have worded my post slightly better but hey I'm new to this.
More important things than cars.
Take care
white_goodman said:
Congrats OP. Some interesting discussion here but not all OT.
I don't think this is unique to Porsche drivers. Any large SUV or newish Audi/BMW/Mercedes can attract contempt from other drivers. 20 years ago, you might also say this was true of the Escort XR3i! Some of these vehicles are quite nice and I would be happy to own them myself (and I think I'm quite a nice guy)! It is also true though that they do attract more than their fair share of aggressive drivers with a f*** everyone else mentality!
If you want a more positive reaction from people, drive something British! Astons, Jaguars, Lotii, TVRs and Morgans all seem to get a thumbs up from the general public. Maybe a Maserati too but not necessarily a Ferrari or Lamborgini.
Having said that, older Porsches, Audis, BMWs and Mercedes don't seem to attract so much contempt from others. The most positive reaction I have had from other drivers was when I was driving my white E30 325i Carbiolet and it was a 15 year old car at the time. I got let out of side roads all the time in it. I expected to get treated like a c*** by others whilst driving my World Rally Blue WRX too but no, other drivers were very courteous. Perhaps being a Wagon helped? In fact the only time another driver was aggressive towards me driving it was in France and he was driving an Audi A3!
Oh, and the only time I got called a w***** by another driver (WVM) was when I was test driving a red Fiat 500C (the joys of open-top motoring) and the only car that I have ever had vandalised was a 10 year old 2k Peugeot 205 GTi. Weird! I doubt someone driving an older, air-cooled 911 or an Ur Quattro would get abuse from other drivers really.
I think British drivers are actually more courteous than most though. Perhaps it's because the roads are so crowded? I have lived in Manitoba, Canada for 2 years now. A province over twice the area of Great Britain and yet only about 1.2 million, most of which (about 1 million) live in the biggest city, Winnipeg. I live in the second biggest city (Brandon), which is expanding fairly rapidly, so traffic levels can get quite high at times. However, people never let you out of side turns, never pull over on the highway to let you merge and always block your exit if you're trying to cross traffic to turn left, whatever you are driving. And yet, you can turn right at a red stop light and we have 4-way stops instead of roundabouts and somehow that seems to work OK. The exception is if you are cycling or a pedestrian, when people driving along the main road stop to let you cross! Quite annoying, because I'm trying to teach my children to cross the road safely and that doesn't help if they ever go to somewhere like Paris, London, Rome or New York!
With regards to SUVs. I never really got them until I moved here. In the UK, you needed to get a diesel for acceptable economy and then you're still only getting 25mpgish and not much in the way of performance. Big to park and thread down narrow B-roads, expensive to repair, high VED. Quite frankly if I'm only going to get 25mpg, I would rather have a fast estate that handles and has some performance. I used to find it annoying too when a large SUV/van pulled up alongside me at a junction/roundabout obscuring my view. I did buy an older Jeep Grand Cherokee when I first got here and it really got under my skin. Loads of space (I have 2 kids now), super comfy and we have enough snow sometimes that the extra ground clearance does make a difference. I wish I still had it but rust, 18mpg and a spate of expensive repairs forced my hand. A new-style Grand Cherokee diesel would probably be the only SUV that I would consider in the UK. Are they safer? Well, I guess yes if you hit a smaller vehicle (poor people in the Fiesta though) but they're more likely to fall over in an impact and if you hit something stationary, you may well be better off in the Fiesta (less kinetic energy).
I've never driven a performance SUV, so can't really comment on how good they are at making quick progress cross country. I can't say that I ever felt that lack of visibility was holding me back in my WRX. Although I was very fond of my Jeep, it would have handled like crap on a twisty road (as would most SUVs I think). Surely only the Cayenne, new Supercharged Rangie Sport and possibly the high performance X5 are the only SUVs that really handle? I'm sure they would be good fun but with top whack VED and single figure mpg if you're cracking on, surely only the preserve of the very wealthy?
Thank you. This has been an interesting journey, not as interesting as your life journey however! Ultimately the thread has shown the passion that cars bring out in people, good and bad. Ultimately it is a box on wheels that goes from a to b, we all fall for the marketing and public opinion as we strive for the latest car. Some days I want to be anonymous, some days I want to be seen, some days I want to cruise, some days I want to go fast. The Cayenne was a choice based on safety, brand, speed, no more expensive than any SUV particularly due to the low depreciation in comparison. So far no car has met the dream, how I thought it would be, aston v8v, z4, A5, e coupe or the cayenne. The more you pay, the bigger the brand, the less you get as standard. Whatever you get, it soon becomes normal. While this thread has been running I welcomed my son into the world, all of this car stuff pales into insignificance. Let's keep the debate going though as it's been truly riveting! Keen to know what everyone here drives and their experiences!I don't think this is unique to Porsche drivers. Any large SUV or newish Audi/BMW/Mercedes can attract contempt from other drivers. 20 years ago, you might also say this was true of the Escort XR3i! Some of these vehicles are quite nice and I would be happy to own them myself (and I think I'm quite a nice guy)! It is also true though that they do attract more than their fair share of aggressive drivers with a f*** everyone else mentality!
If you want a more positive reaction from people, drive something British! Astons, Jaguars, Lotii, TVRs and Morgans all seem to get a thumbs up from the general public. Maybe a Maserati too but not necessarily a Ferrari or Lamborgini.
Having said that, older Porsches, Audis, BMWs and Mercedes don't seem to attract so much contempt from others. The most positive reaction I have had from other drivers was when I was driving my white E30 325i Carbiolet and it was a 15 year old car at the time. I got let out of side roads all the time in it. I expected to get treated like a c*** by others whilst driving my World Rally Blue WRX too but no, other drivers were very courteous. Perhaps being a Wagon helped? In fact the only time another driver was aggressive towards me driving it was in France and he was driving an Audi A3!
Oh, and the only time I got called a w***** by another driver (WVM) was when I was test driving a red Fiat 500C (the joys of open-top motoring) and the only car that I have ever had vandalised was a 10 year old 2k Peugeot 205 GTi. Weird! I doubt someone driving an older, air-cooled 911 or an Ur Quattro would get abuse from other drivers really.
I think British drivers are actually more courteous than most though. Perhaps it's because the roads are so crowded? I have lived in Manitoba, Canada for 2 years now. A province over twice the area of Great Britain and yet only about 1.2 million, most of which (about 1 million) live in the biggest city, Winnipeg. I live in the second biggest city (Brandon), which is expanding fairly rapidly, so traffic levels can get quite high at times. However, people never let you out of side turns, never pull over on the highway to let you merge and always block your exit if you're trying to cross traffic to turn left, whatever you are driving. And yet, you can turn right at a red stop light and we have 4-way stops instead of roundabouts and somehow that seems to work OK. The exception is if you are cycling or a pedestrian, when people driving along the main road stop to let you cross! Quite annoying, because I'm trying to teach my children to cross the road safely and that doesn't help if they ever go to somewhere like Paris, London, Rome or New York!
With regards to SUVs. I never really got them until I moved here. In the UK, you needed to get a diesel for acceptable economy and then you're still only getting 25mpgish and not much in the way of performance. Big to park and thread down narrow B-roads, expensive to repair, high VED. Quite frankly if I'm only going to get 25mpg, I would rather have a fast estate that handles and has some performance. I used to find it annoying too when a large SUV/van pulled up alongside me at a junction/roundabout obscuring my view. I did buy an older Jeep Grand Cherokee when I first got here and it really got under my skin. Loads of space (I have 2 kids now), super comfy and we have enough snow sometimes that the extra ground clearance does make a difference. I wish I still had it but rust, 18mpg and a spate of expensive repairs forced my hand. A new-style Grand Cherokee diesel would probably be the only SUV that I would consider in the UK. Are they safer? Well, I guess yes if you hit a smaller vehicle (poor people in the Fiesta though) but they're more likely to fall over in an impact and if you hit something stationary, you may well be better off in the Fiesta (less kinetic energy).
I've never driven a performance SUV, so can't really comment on how good they are at making quick progress cross country. I can't say that I ever felt that lack of visibility was holding me back in my WRX. Although I was very fond of my Jeep, it would have handled like crap on a twisty road (as would most SUVs I think). Surely only the Cayenne, new Supercharged Rangie Sport and possibly the high performance X5 are the only SUVs that really handle? I'm sure they would be good fun but with top whack VED and single figure mpg if you're cracking on, surely only the preserve of the very wealthy?
e8_pack said:
Thread is about cars not kids. Not sure what they have to do with this thread in the slightest. Many have them, some on the way. But let's not get off track from the idiotic grandiose, self inflated, egotistical moronic remark from the OP because he drives what the majority of the public see as a rubbish excuse for a Porsche.
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