Ambulance fine 115mph in a 50
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33008967
ok you expect an ambulance may go a little quicker than the limit on a run, or maybe keep to the limit but hope other drivers let them by.
115mph in a 50. Begs the question should it be a 50?
(ETA probably a well known hot spot to have a camera)
Should there be automatic exemption any ambulance any time any place
ok you expect an ambulance may go a little quicker than the limit on a run, or maybe keep to the limit but hope other drivers let them by.
115mph in a 50. Begs the question should it be a 50?
(ETA probably a well known hot spot to have a camera)
Should there be automatic exemption any ambulance any time any place
Edited by saaby93 on Friday 24th July 00:24
I think that's a point. You see those paramedic cars around here ( and everywhere) They need to get to the destination but in one piece. Theyre generally at NSL but maybe no more than that, relying on other motorists to allow them to make progress. They dont want to be the next call out or headline.
Do they have driver training?
Do they have driver training?
mph1977 said:
to the person suggesting that frontline ambulance staff aren;t trained to drive under emergency conditions
funny three weeks course that all NHS frontline staff ( apart from a handful of dinosaurs who scraped in when it was still optional) and staff working for decent Private / Voluntary sector providers do before being let loose on the road with blues ...
3 weeks on driving?funny three weeks course that all NHS frontline staff ( apart from a handful of dinosaurs who scraped in when it was still optional) and staff working for decent Private / Voluntary sector providers do before being let loose on the road with blues ...
The odd thing about this is we're not talking about a clear open road, it's a place they've found it necessary to place a camera. Or would that be a clear open road?
FD3Si said:
Meanwhile, back in the real world, if the question is do I trust someone in the mentioned position to make an informed decision about whether or not doing 115mph on an emergency response call is appropriate, given what they know about their background, the road conditions, and all the other environmental factors that affect the decision? Emphatically yes.
You're forgetting why is there a 50mph camera there.If it was anyway maybe 115mph is ok, but justify it. It's not all abulance drivers doing 115mph everywhere there is a run and the last we want to hear is of 115mph driver etc.
If it's ok for 115mph albeit by someone after a training course, why is there a 50mph camera?
Can we find out where it is
He's right. Just because nothing bad happened this time, it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Aren't there too many collisions on blue light runs anyway?
If it was the right thing to do, it'll have been reviewed and signed off.
The question I keep coming to is, if it's ok to do 115mph there, ok by someone after training, why does it have a 50 camera?
Something doesnt add up
If it was the right thing to do, it'll have been reviewed and signed off.
The question I keep coming to is, if it's ok to do 115mph there, ok by someone after training, why does it have a 50 camera?
Something doesnt add up
Motorrad said:
Breaking the law is breaking the law. The limits are there for a reason, no exemptions!
Ban a few of these wreckless speed demons, police included, for their heinous transgressions.
That might work too. Ban a few of these wreckless speed demons, police included, for their heinous transgressions.
It might make someone in authority question why there is a 50 camera
^^^^ Thanks - this was posted earlier too
No-one wants to know that in trying to get to you too quickly, an ambulance has crashed so theyre going to have to deal with that as well as you
There's an ambulance forum where they discuss they can exceed the speed limit, but theres a 20mph guideline.
Some posters have said that on an open road or a clear dual carriageway 115mph might be ok or subject to the drivers discretion.
Trouble is that discretion can have mistakes and red mist set in, hence maybe the 20mph guideline so they know its not about getting there at all costs
The point here is there is a 50mph camera. There's something else going on.
Either the limit and camera is wrong or the red mist may have set in.
It should be more than a tick box - it was blues so ok
My tuppence
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
..snip..
But now to address the OP and the question - despite all I have said, I do not think that it is appropriate for Ambulance response vehicles to be travelling at speeds which endanger the vehicle, the crew and the public. Yes of course we need to crack on a bit, through the normal traffic, and not dawdle to emergencies - but at the same time, as someone who has 25 years of road driving experience, plus racing experience and having been a track-day instructor...I see with great clarity the myriad of potential dangers in the real world environment, on our roads, and I know how quickly things can go extremely pear-shaped.
My personal opinion is that, if we're travelling to an emergency, someone who really is on the brink of life and death, then the first priority is to get there, in one piece, to be able to give all our help and support. If we crash on the way, then that's not gonna happen. Hence a degree of care and discretion whilst driving should really be the best practice.
There have been previous reports too about the best way to get to an incident is to keep pace with traffic and overtake when the opportunity arises. If theres too much of a differential you have no idea what other people are going to do to get out the way.But now to address the OP and the question - despite all I have said, I do not think that it is appropriate for Ambulance response vehicles to be travelling at speeds which endanger the vehicle, the crew and the public. Yes of course we need to crack on a bit, through the normal traffic, and not dawdle to emergencies - but at the same time, as someone who has 25 years of road driving experience, plus racing experience and having been a track-day instructor...I see with great clarity the myriad of potential dangers in the real world environment, on our roads, and I know how quickly things can go extremely pear-shaped.
My personal opinion is that, if we're travelling to an emergency, someone who really is on the brink of life and death, then the first priority is to get there, in one piece, to be able to give all our help and support. If we crash on the way, then that's not gonna happen. Hence a degree of care and discretion whilst driving should really be the best practice.
No-one wants to know that in trying to get to you too quickly, an ambulance has crashed so theyre going to have to deal with that as well as you
There's an ambulance forum where they discuss they can exceed the speed limit, but theres a 20mph guideline.
Some posters have said that on an open road or a clear dual carriageway 115mph might be ok or subject to the drivers discretion.
Trouble is that discretion can have mistakes and red mist set in, hence maybe the 20mph guideline so they know its not about getting there at all costs
The point here is there is a 50mph camera. There's something else going on.
Either the limit and camera is wrong or the red mist may have set in.
It should be more than a tick box - it was blues so ok
My tuppence
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 25th July 11:45
Pete317 said:
saaby93 said:
The point here is there is a 50mph camera.
As I have pointed out before, until very recently there were lots of 50mph average speed cameras on the motorways near Bristol, for a very long time.Like I said
If theyre there for a purpose fine, no one should be exceeding the limit due to the danger (and there's a margin for emergency services)
If they're not, take them out
RemyMartin said:
Coolhands showed his hand much earlier, his beef comes from a certain dislike of a parmedic in his area. Seems to be unable to get past this and assumes all paramedic rush around like loons. Pretty pathetic tbh but it is enormously funny being torn apart with facts.
Ah that's what it was. It looked like a few posters had taken a certain dislike to Coolhands. Maybe the posts from the fast responders will help.It looks like he's onside with them generally
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 25th July 14:59
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