RE: VW Golf R vs. its own hype

RE: VW Golf R vs. its own hype

Tuesday 22nd December 2015

VW Golf R vs. its own hype

Is expectation the only thing the all-conquering Golf R can't out-accelerate?



Nine months and over 10,000 miles - surely enough time to decide whether or not the Golf R actually is the answer to everything or, perhaps, a victim of its own hype. The departure of our PH Fleet Golf is the end of one era for the R; the looming arrival of the Focus RS surely has to signal another. Yes, The Internet is soon to have a new benchmark car by which all others must be judged.

From STI...
From STI...
I'll admit to being one of the seemingly few unbelievers in the whole Golf R thing. First impressions back in May 2014 had me saying it was fast but lacked a bit of soul. "Right now a GTI Performance makes more inspiring use of a Haldex-derived drivetrain, feels more lively given its 94kg weight saving and costs nearly £3K less like for like. Numbers still matter then, you just need to make sure you're looking at the right ones," I said. Since then we've had a facelift of the forum hero it deposed - the BMW M135i - and confirmation of what to expect from the Focus. We've also had rivalry from within in the shape of the GTI Clubsport and the arrival of bombastic alternatives like the Civic Type R. Tough competition, even for a car as broadly talented as the R. 

Price figures nearly as highly as on-road performance in any discussion of cars at this level. £30K is technically the price we're looking at or around for the R, the M135i, RS and a host of other talented rivals. We've never had it so good either - for this relatively realistic benchmark you can now expect 300hp or more, a choice of manual, auto or dual-clutch gearboxes, three- or five-door bodies according to need, clever diffs, adaptive dampers, front-, rear- or four-wheel drive and looks ranging from the heart on sleeve track refugee to understated Q-car. Credit where due to the R - it boasts nearly all these choices in one very polished package and even offers an estate option too! I can't help but think we'll be looking back on this era in a few years time as a bit of a golden one in terms of the all-round, relatively affordable and internal combustion powered performance car. 

... to M135i. It was kept busy!
... to M135i. It was kept busy!
Bottom line
For now bottom line OTR price might have symbolic significance. But given the way many of us now buy our cars it is less and less relevant, the myriad lease deals creating moving targets for what's hot and what's not. And the potential for bragging rights on both performance AND monthly payments has certainly inspired many a 'spirited' forum discussion. 

I'd like to concentrate on what the R is like as a car though. But will defer to James's impressions, given he spent more time at the wheel than I did. "Looking back it seems unfair that more or less my only gripe with the Golf R was a slight lack of flair in how it went about its business," he says. "The simple fact is the Golf R is an incredibly effective way of getting from A to B at pace, and for a lot of people that alone makes a car fun, even when lacking a bit of drama."

People have different priorities in their cars and the incredible choice means pretty much all tastes are accommodated. Personally I can't let go of the BMW M135i's grip on the heartstrings though. The fact £30K can buy you a rear-wheel drive car with a 326hp turbocharged six-cylinder engine, which offers a choice of bodystyles and can be bought with a manual gearbox, still seems astonishing to me. We of course ran an M135i for a few months and I can still remember leaving the door open to enjoy the Skyline-esque cold start, appreciating the exotic feeling low-slung stance and, of course, the rear-driven balance. The looks remain an obstacle for many and there are some dynamic rough edges to polish off. But the appeal of a big six - especially compared with the Golf's awful synthetic soundtrack and soulless power delivery - remains strong. 

Well it was subtle right up until the sticker...
Well it was subtle right up until the sticker...
Back at you
The Golf R owner's riposte would be boasting of enjoying all the car has on the same wet, wintry B-road that would expose the BMW's traction limitations. A valid point. To which I'd say speed for speed's sake isn't always everything. And, sometimes, the speeds the R is easily capable of should perhaps raise your pulse a tad. 

Much of the time the Golf R was on the fleet I spent in another rival - the Subaru WRX STI. Many of the arguments comparing the two can be lifted straight from our much-discussed 'Battle for the B-road' story where we pitched the Subaru against the Audi S3, the Audi to all intents and purposes mechanically interchangeable with the R. 

When we put the Golf against the Subaru at our PHTV test track the R, predictably, annihilated the STI off the line and in a straight sprint. Launch control and DSG can claim much of the credit, the Subaru losing a car length to the relentless Golf with every gear change. Which was better round the twisting, greasy infield section of the test track? There were no stopwatches there but I'd wager, again, the Golf was in all likelihood the faster car. 

There's a fast Focus waiting for you next year!
There's a fast Focus waiting for you next year!
But, for those interested in the process of driving as much as the outcome, cars like the Subaru still deliver more. And, like the BMW's more impressive engine, the focus on 'real' engineering rather than electronically enhanced impressions thereof makes the Subaru a more appealing driver's car. If not as fast. Or fashionable. Or possessing as nice an interior. 

Spotting a theme here? 

I have huge respect for the Golf R. And it's not like there's anything 'wrong' with it, just aspects of its character that aren't to my particular taste. Quite a few of these were addressed/trampled on by the bonkers 450hp Revo Technik version we had in not so long ago. When I first drove it I said I suspected it was startlingly capable but just a little overly synthetic and the front-driven Golf GTI Performance was the better car. 18 months, several thousand miles and time behind the wheel of a ton of very diverse and accomplished rivals - including the GTI Clubsport - I can't say I think any different.  


FACT SHEET
Car:
2015 Volkswagen Golf R
Run by: Everyone!
On fleet since: March 2015
Mileage: >14,000
List price new: £32,220 (£36,055 as tested including £895 for 19-inch 'Pretoria' wheels, £1,765 for Discover Pro Nav, £815 for Dynamic Chassis Control dampers and £360 for Winter Pack).
Last month at a glance: Can the Golf R out-run its own shadow? 

 















   










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Shambler

Original Poster:

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145 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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The problem with the STI is that it looks a bit yobbish, The fact that the Golf is so bland makes it more entertaining. I have the estate version and there really isnt much to compare it too. I think the in group giant slaying against the RS3 and the RS4 make it a pretty special car.

Shambler

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1,191 posts

145 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Chris Harris and most of the other respected journalists seemed to be smitten by it. Is it perhaps because Dan is a bit of a BMW fanboy. Most of the articles on PH at the moment seem to be about that bloody M4

Shambler

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1,191 posts

145 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
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why can't piston heads be more like Jalopnik, Pistonheads is such negative stetalk

Shambler

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Thursday 24th December 2015
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V8A*ndy said:
SDK said:
My criteria was performance, traction & space and the Golf R Estate is unbeatable for under £50k.
£50k you say and an Estate? I'd honestly be in one of these....

http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/3-series-touring/16640/bm...
This is Pistonheads so diesel is a no no

Shambler

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1,191 posts

145 months

Wednesday 30th December 2015
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thebraketester said:
Jesus yonex... You really are quite a shaft aren't you?
He does seem quite highly strung.

Shambler

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1,191 posts

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Thursday 14th January 2016
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epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything

Shambler

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1,191 posts

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Monday 18th January 2016
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andrewparker said:
Shambler said:
epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything
Lol, do you want a pic of mine with all four sooted up?!
I have checked again and the two inner exhausts are not attached and are purely cosmetic. I have the estate so I don't know if there is a difference over the hatch.

Shambler

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1,191 posts

145 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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rampantdidact said:
UK Hatch version definitely has all 4 pipes connected. 2 are always open and the other 2 only open when the engine is at a certain rev range and what driving mode you are in. They can also all be permanently opened via vagcom.
just spoken to vw and they confirmed that all four should be connected, mine are not, so trip to dealer.

Shambler

Original Poster:

1,191 posts

145 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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andrewparker said:
Shambler said:
andrewparker said:
Shambler said:
epom said:
Just a thought this morning after I saw one of these in traffic. Has any company offered a twin exhaust set up for these yet to replace the 4 pipes ?? I think it would finish them off nicely.
Especially as the two inner exhausts are not connected to anything
Lol, do you want a pic of mine with all four sooted up?!
I have checked again and the two inner exhausts are not attached and are purely cosmetic. I have the estate so I don't know if there is a difference over the hatch.
Ahhh, there is a difference, read this – http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/10119-r-estate/p...

In particular post #222

"Anybody else notice the difference between the estate and the hatch exhaust setup yet? The tips are all false and don't have any physical connection with the backboxes (also different) as they seem to just exit in the general tip area. I haven't been able to look at any detail to see how the valves etc are setup."
Ah yes, so looks like a different setup between hatch and estate. waiting ti hear back from VW, but it looks like the exhaust tips are fake trinkets and therefore cosmetic and a bit silly.