Am I the only one that doesn't get interest in hot hatches?
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I just can't get turned on by any form of hot hatch at all. I find myself thinking "that's nice, but at £30k there's so much else I could buy". Like why would I waste £30k on a Golf GTI when I could buy a used Boxster/911 (or thousands of other more exciting cars) for less and keep some money in the bank for running costs? Or even buy a 2.0TSI Golf and get 99% of the experience.
I understand for some people it is a question of practicality, but why not get a nice saloon such as a Jag XF (among countless others)? There are also a multitude of young blokes with no dependents that think, say, a Civic Type R is the be all and end all, when at the end of the day it's still just a Civic, with FWD and a 4pot engine...
It applies to all hot hatches really - they are basically just the same as their less sporty counterpart, a Fiesta ST is still just a Ford Fiesta, a Leon Cupra is still just a Seat Leon. Go get a TT or something...
I understand for some people it is a question of practicality, but why not get a nice saloon such as a Jag XF (among countless others)? There are also a multitude of young blokes with no dependents that think, say, a Civic Type R is the be all and end all, when at the end of the day it's still just a Civic, with FWD and a 4pot engine...
It applies to all hot hatches really - they are basically just the same as their less sporty counterpart, a Fiesta ST is still just a Ford Fiesta, a Leon Cupra is still just a Seat Leon. Go get a TT or something...
Dr Jekyll said:
The new GTI v used Porsche choice is about new v used, not the merits or otherwise of hot hatches.
Saying the cars are basically the same as the less sporty counterpart misses the point. They are basically the same in terms of practicality and not far off in terms of running costs, while being more sporty. That is precisely their appeal.
It's not about new vs used, it's about driving enjoyment and excitement at a certain price point!Saying the cars are basically the same as the less sporty counterpart misses the point. They are basically the same in terms of practicality and not far off in terms of running costs, while being more sporty. That is precisely their appeal.
It's not badge snobbery. You're getting caught up on the examples I used. Replace TT with GT86, does that work better?
My argument is there are simply more enjoyable cars for the crazy money hot hatches now cost - look at the A45 AMG for example!
People are always trying to make their hot hatches sound more appealing than they actually are, like they're some sort of salesman/advocate for hot hatches, when in reality they are just flat out not as special as lots of other sports coupes etc at the exact same price point - used or new!
I like the "trying to impress" analogy - only I don't believe the car is trying to impress the driver, more so trying to impress every around it because of its inherent inadequacy in trying to be something it's not.
I think a better analogy for hot hatches is "jack of all trades, master of none." - if you want driving enjoyment get a purpose built sports car, if you want to cart the kids and the shopping around get a saloon, or a regular hatch back for £10k less than the one with nicer alloys and 20bhp more. It's all just a marketing gimmick!
My argument is there are simply more enjoyable cars for the crazy money hot hatches now cost - look at the A45 AMG for example!
People are always trying to make their hot hatches sound more appealing than they actually are, like they're some sort of salesman/advocate for hot hatches, when in reality they are just flat out not as special as lots of other sports coupes etc at the exact same price point - used or new!
I like the "trying to impress" analogy - only I don't believe the car is trying to impress the driver, more so trying to impress every around it because of its inherent inadequacy in trying to be something it's not.
I think a better analogy for hot hatches is "jack of all trades, master of none." - if you want driving enjoyment get a purpose built sports car, if you want to cart the kids and the shopping around get a saloon, or a regular hatch back for £10k less than the one with nicer alloys and 20bhp more. It's all just a marketing gimmick!
It's not that we refuse to accept other people may have different tastes or preferences when it comes to cars, we are just arguing our side by stating we don't get the hype around hot hatches, and you are simply arguing your side that you do get the hype around hot hatches.
How is THAT a difficult concept to understand?
You do realise by saying "how is it difficult to accept others have different opinions" (ie. wanting us to be accepting of others' opinions regarding hot hatches) is entirely hypocritical, as by stating that you are infact not accepting that we have a different opinion.
How very boring this forum would be if I closed the thread after the first "hot hatches are good" reply and simply refused to entertain any more discussion or debate!
Why can't we just have a discussion without trying to get the opposing party to admit to sympathising with our opinions?
How is THAT a difficult concept to understand?
You do realise by saying "how is it difficult to accept others have different opinions" (ie. wanting us to be accepting of others' opinions regarding hot hatches) is entirely hypocritical, as by stating that you are infact not accepting that we have a different opinion.
How very boring this forum would be if I closed the thread after the first "hot hatches are good" reply and simply refused to entertain any more discussion or debate!
Why can't we just have a discussion without trying to get the opposing party to admit to sympathising with our opinions?
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