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simonr100 said:
kambites said:
I'd always wondered why the car was called the "22B", now I know. 
That's the wrong reason - 22B came from the engine 2.2litres and the B was a reference to the Bilstein shocks.
Krikkit said:
allroad one said:
simonr100 said:
kambites said:
I'd always wondered why the car was called the "22B", now I know.
That's the wrong reason - 22B came from the engine 2.2litres and the B was a reference to the Bilstein shocks.I have watched motorsport all my life at at no time did I see a cool F1 car or WRC car with tobacco advertising and run down to the shops for a packet of fags.
It is getting beyond a joke now when waiting to be served behind someone wanting to buy a pack with the man/lady looking behind the non branding pigeon holes trying to find the ones the customer wants.
Really are we this stupid as humans not to be able to make the choice ourselves?
If you go out to any pub there are more youngsters outside smoking so this advertising rubbish is not working.
If you tell people not to do something many will do it anyway to stick a finger up at the laws enforcing this rubbish.
Anyway rant over......
It is getting beyond a joke now when waiting to be served behind someone wanting to buy a pack with the man/lady looking behind the non branding pigeon holes trying to find the ones the customer wants.
Really are we this stupid as humans not to be able to make the choice ourselves?
If you go out to any pub there are more youngsters outside smoking so this advertising rubbish is not working.
If you tell people not to do something many will do it anyway to stick a finger up at the laws enforcing this rubbish.
Anyway rant over......
QuickQuack said:
Anti-smoking laws have worked to improve the health of the population already. Improvements in some of the more acute effects cigarette smoke (exacerbations in acute respiratory attack in asthmatics etc.) on health were observed as early as 2 months, large scale improvements on other health parameters within a year (premature births and asthma diagnoses in children), medium term effects (acute coronary events [agine, hearts attack] etc.) were seen within 5 years, and we will continue to see improvements on longer term effects of smoking (further improvements in coronary and peripheral artery diseases, strokes, lung, bladder and oropharangeal cancers etc.) over the next 5-10 years.
I'm afraid to say that we as humans really are that stupid. If advertising and sports sponsorship didn't work, nobody would be chucking large amounts of money at it. Commercial enterprises, be they tobacco companies or small businesses, don't spend money on advertising and sponsorship for alturistic reasons; every penny spent has an ROI (return on investment) assessment attached to it. The best marketing ploys work by making you purchase/use/recommend the item they're promoting while making you feel that you are not influenced by the advertising.
True tobacco companies would not sponsor if they were not making profit out of this but when out in a bar of pub the amount of youngsters smoking seems to have increased.I'm afraid to say that we as humans really are that stupid. If advertising and sports sponsorship didn't work, nobody would be chucking large amounts of money at it. Commercial enterprises, be they tobacco companies or small businesses, don't spend money on advertising and sponsorship for alturistic reasons; every penny spent has an ROI (return on investment) assessment attached to it. The best marketing ploys work by making you purchase/use/recommend the item they're promoting while making you feel that you are not influenced by the advertising.
The only good thing "if they really are a healthy option" are the vapour cigarettes which are being uses a lot by these younger people in bars.
If it is true that cigarettes are selling less I would be delighted but the amount I have seen while out IMO is increasing.
battered said:
Yes we are that stupid.
Smoking has declined.
Smokers smoke less post ban than before.
No ranting required.
If this is the case it would be a great thing but personally speaking I am seeing more young people smoking cigarette or vapours.Smoking has declined.
Smokers smoke less post ban than before.
No ranting required.
There are more outside smoking then there is the the bar.
Hopefully the national statistics show this to not be the case.
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