Bugatti Veyron tyres - what does a set cost?

[flemke]

A friend seems to have just become the first owner to require a replacement set of tyres for his Veyron.

Anyone care to guess what VAG charge for a new set?

[flemke]

Marki said:

Go on tell us

Let's give anyone else who might be interested a few more minutes to respond.

[flemke]

baSkey said:

£6000

so that'll be c€12000

Strictly speaking, £6,000 is a touch less than 9,000 Euros, is it not?

[flemke]

vonhosen said:

£4,800

VH, even you are interested! Maybe one of these days we can even get you over the speed limit without an exemption.

[flemke]

warren182 said:

16k?? how much mileage did he get out of them

Coming from nowhere, the mysterious Warren, in his very first post, gets the biscuit. Well done!

A new set costs 25,700 Euros, or a bit more than £17,000.




In this case, the original tyres had 2,000 miles on them. My friend drives his cars rather purposefully.

[flemke]

TonyHetherington said:

Doh...I *meant* Euros. Honest, guv

To confirm, Flemke; that's one set that can do the whole 252mph?

That I don't know.
He's done 401 clicks at Ehra Liessen, but I think that they fit their own tyres for the run as part of the deal.

You will recall that the car won't do more than 370 or something unless you use a special key in the sill to raise the rev-limit, and the limit is re-established whenever the brake pedal is touched or the driver turns the wheel more than something like 60 degrees, I think it is. Thus it is rather irrelevant whether a customer's tyres are capable of travelling more than the limited speed, because in practice he is very unlikely ever to get there.
I suspect, however, that the same tyre is used in all applications. If you're designing from scratch something capable of frequent use at 370, would you design a different thing for 400? (especially in light of how much they're charging for the tool)

[flemke]

dazren said:

Flemke. To put this in perspective can you please confirm the cost for a set of tyres fitted for both the F1 and the Carrera GT?

thanks

DAZ

Er, not quite.
For the F1, when you get a bill they tend to lump all "parts" together into one category, so you need to dig to get a breakdown. In that there is only one place in the world that sells the tyres, and when you need them you need them, in one regrettable sense the price is not an issue. I think that they're something like 2500 quid a set, but then you have to add to that the cost of the mandatory factory scrubbing-in process ().

For the CGT, I've not had to buy a set yet, but something that Olaf said to me the other day makes me think that they're in the region of 1,500 Euros.
The only similar tyres of which I do know the cost are the Bridgestones for the Enzo - 1400 Euros.

[flemke]

TonyHetherington said:

markbe said:

Tony the special key is to change the aerodynamics, not the tyres[they are fully rated to 252mph]

It was my (now understood to be wrong) understanding that Bugatti were the only ones able to change it to the "252" mode and they would only do this having come out to (anywhere in the world) to change over the tyres and check the car over. I read this perhaps 2 years ago, though, and from what others have mentioned on this thread it's me not being up to date!

Thanks (interesting thread this )

Tony,

I tried to address this in my comment on page 3 above.

Cheers.

[flemke]

dazren said:

CGT and Enzo tyres sound a bargain.

cheers

A principal reason being that they are available to all tyre distributors, rather than their sale's being controlled by a monopolist.

[flemke]

BliarsGoing said:

Hang on... You have to buy the tyres and then have someone from the factory hoon them in for you?

Oh yes.

[flemke]

r5gttgaz said:

So in effect you get part worn tyres.

Properly-prepared-for-use-by-incompetent-owners-and-safely-cleansed-of-evil-mould-release-agent tyres.

[flemke]

warren182 said:

How long does it take them to wear them in?

In normal driving, maybe ten miles.
On a circuit, maybe three bends, or a couple of hard brakings.
All you're doing is cleaning off the release agent, then they're as good as they'll ever be.

[flemke]

johnnymaestro said:

Flemke, Do you have any idea what the service interval is on the Veyron and how that compares to how often the Mclaren and the CGT need servicing? And also if as much needs changing/refreshing on the car?

No idea.
My hunch is that the F1 needs a lot more stuff done to certain things because they was designed a while ago, and by folks who for the most part were not road-car people.
On the other hand, it has fewer complex things to go wrong.

The Bug and CGT were designed by teams within large organisations with immense experience in engineering long-lived road cars. Simple stuff like rubber seals, door locks, HVAC and headlight fixtures take a lot of time to get right.

[flemke]

stefan1 said:

It's all been said already, but still - holy smokes (literally!) - I would never have guessed that much.

Flemke - (if you happen to know) would it be a fair assumption that the tyre wear was in the centre as a result of sustained high speed runs? Or was it just general wear from putting down 1,000hp!

Kind regards

Steve

Sir,

The owner is a fellow who, for an example, recently said to me that a GT3 Cup race car has "a severe lack of power". Suffice to say that he likes to put his foot down.
The tyre wear was exacerbated by a lot of laps at a circuit.

[flemke]

northo said:

flemke said:

dazren said:

Flemke. To put this in perspective can you please confirm the cost for a set of tyres fitted for both the F1 and the Carrera GT?

thanks

DAZ

Er, not quite.
For the F1, when you get a bill they tend to lump all "parts" together into one category, so you need to dig to get a breakdown. In that there is only one place in the world that sells the tyres, and when you need them you need them, in one regrettable sense the price is not an issue. I think that they're something like 2500 quid a set, but then you have to add to that the cost of the mandatory factory scrubbing-in process ().

For the CGT, I've not had to buy a set yet, but something that Olaf said to me the other day makes me think that they're in the region of 1,500 Euros.
The only similar tyres of which I do know the cost are the Bridgestones for the Enzo - 1400 Euros.

How the hell do they justify the cost - they probably don't have to....

The argument is that tyre company X will have had to do extensive specialised development and testing for a bespoke tyre, and perforce they will amortise that expense over many fewer tyres, hence the greater cost per tyre.

[flemke]

northo said:

That is frightening - I just paid £350 a corner for the rears on a Zonda C12 S. It will be interesting to see what a set for the Koenigsegg will cost, as they are specifically manufactured for the car, and will have to endure similar stress to a Veyron tyre,albeit withour the extra weight

The K'egg has a different tyre from the one on the CGT?

[flemke]

northo said:

flemke said:

northo said:

That is frightening - I just paid £350 a corner for the rears on a Zonda C12 S. It will be interesting to see what a set for the Koenigsegg will cost, as they are specifically manufactured for the car, and will have to endure similar stress to a Veyron tyre,albeit withour the extra weight

The K'egg has a different tyre from the one on the CGT?

335/30/ZR20 - Michelin Pilot Sport. You may be right.

I believe that the reason that about a year ago both K'egg and Pagani went from 18" to 19/20" was that there happened to be a suitable tyre available - the MPSs that were designed for the CGT.

[flemke]

ilovevolvo said:

Hi Flemke thanks for this interesting info that is a shocking price but if you can afford 1 million for a car then 17 grand for tyres is small change i guess ?!

By the way flemke did you ever track down the skum bag that hit your 959 ??

Russ

With the kind help of a PHer, the car has been identified and the process are in motion.

[flemke]

ilovevolvo said:

Hi Flemke can you recommend a good quality paint shop in the surrey/hants area ???

Russ

I am afraid not.
There is one that I would recommend never using, but I wouldn't want to get Ted into trouble by mentioning names. Let's say that they're in the Guildford area and that it would be wise () to avoid them.

There used to be a really good one in Chessington, but I believe that they have moved.

There have been a few threads on PH about this subject, so you may want to search back a bit.

[flemke]

ilovevolvo said:

Hi flemke many thanks for the reply do you remember the name of the one in chessington ?

Russ

George Ray Coachworks.
It was run by a chap named, I think, Geoff Collins.
I was told that he is now down in Devon/Cornwall.